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Two US soldiers have been killed north of Kandahar, after an error during a B-52 bombing raid, according to US Central Command.
Another 20 US soldiers were injured and airlifted out of the area, with an unknown number of deaths among Afghan anti-Taleban fighters
The incident happened about 0530GMT on Wednesday, when a US special forces team called in air support, and the B-52 dropped a so-called smart bomb in the wrong place
Another 20 US soldiers were injured and airlifted out of the area, with an unknown number of deaths among Afghan anti-Taleban fighters
The incident happened about 0530GMT on Wednesday, when a US special forces team called in air support, and the B-52 dropped a so-called smart bomb in the wrong place
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Sad but unfortunately this is nothing new. Friendly fire is as old as war itself.
The ignorance is mind numbing
(but the yanks are good at it
No...but seriously - I thought casualties were meant to come from The otherside shooting your troops?
So much for precision bombing eh? They say they won't hit the innocent then they do!
The US has never said that these things never fail. It has never said no civilians will die.
Interesting story in the paper this morning...6 men who shaved their beards when they were liberated by the NA forces were captured by the taliban....The taliban soldiers said they had disgraced islam and they proceeded to hack at their faces with their knives. They hacked off the ears and noses of these 6 men and left them bleeding at the side of the road.
You fail to comment on how many of those US bombs have been hitting the people that do the kind of thing detailed above.
'There are no winners, just some that come out slightly less worse off'
What is wrong with peace, it doesn't just apply to us it applies to them too.
All evil needs to thrive is for good men to sit back and do nothing
i'm still waiting for the answer to the question: "what the fuck we were supposed to do?" not do anything? oooh yeah, real good move people.
so tell me byny - have u never, EVER made a mistake in ur life? this was simple human error, it's just a fact of life that when make an error with a 2000lb'er, people are gonna notice, and people are gonna get hurt.
according to the pentagon, these US forces called in an airstrike to help them get rid of taliben forces they were fighting. a 2000lb bomb landed approximately 100m away, the blast radius injuring 19 and killing 3.
but please, people, d'ya think u could hit a pinhead from a b-52 at 30,000 feet? shit happens, especially in war. don't start telling me about how horrible all this is, for god's sake.
The ignorance is mind numbing
cast your mind back to world war 2 and hitler, then take that statment back.
it is a fact of war that the americans will blow themselves up on at least a couple of occasions, my wise gran always points out ' they have all the braun but no brains' - if we hadn't conducted this military operation it would be full blown nuclear war by now !
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
Of course, the fact that they are fighting the Taliban for all our sakes doesnt go noticed. If the terrorists win, well all be ruled under the strict taliban regime....women dead, etc, etc.
There were no winners in WW2 im afraid. Everyone lost in that war.
Baldog if we had lost the war we would be german, granted this country paid heavily both with lives of innocent young men and financially but we didn't lose, all those people fought that war to achieve the freedom we have today, and we should all remember that. Hitler lost the war, we most certainly did not
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
You mis-understand, i'm merely pointing out that war isn't fun, and my personal view on warefare is that there are no winners, yes the madman was stopped but can we really call it a victory and say we won when we lost so much?! I say we just didn't loose so badly.
Edited to say Balddog you've got it in one.
All evil needs to thrive is for good men to sit back and do nothing
[This message has been edited by Marmite (edited 06-12-2001).]
I wonder if they will say they are winners.
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
They beat Hitler, they stopped nazis running the most powerful country in Europe. They did a good thing. Unfortunately there was a massive cost for that victory.
We can say they won in the simplest sense of the word, in that they beat the enemy. If you go a little deeper you will realise that they didnt win anything, they just lost a little less than the Germans.
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
WW2 was necessary and many people were saved because of the actions of our soldiers. Unfortunately millions died which negates and good that may have come from the war. So we saved the people of Europe from being killed...but the price was so great that it kind of balances out to something at just about shit level.
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but please, people, d'ya think u could hit a pinhead from a b-52 at 30,000 feet? shit happens, especially in war. don't start telling me about how horrible all this is, for god's sake.
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thats the prob 30,000 feet. If the RAF do a bomb run is at 500 feet and fast. remember the brits that got zapped in kuwait? The yanks had a A10 warthog fire at 20,000 feet with two AGM huges missiles! The A10 is designed and Armoured with titanium! for low level strikes why do u think its got a tank eating 30mm gatling gun on da nose! The yanks have some of the best hardwear going better than the RAF's yet thay still see the need to fly high and safe, and shoot things thay cant see. We risk low level runs (successful) in dated aircraft like the Jaguar GR1 Harriers and Tornados (yes Tornados are dated)
as for never having made a mistake - but u've never played around with 2000lb bombs, i take it?
SHOCKING
Thing is you lovely people...whenever anyone of you 'WAR WAR WAR' people have made VILE jokes about Afghanis, women under the Taliban etc you've all laughed along with the 'Joke' and yet when I just state a simple fact you accuse me of using the deaths of men to further my own 'AGENDA'!!
and...whenever someone gives hard facts by educated people on things like war and nuclear weapons you immediately dismiss the facts as some kind of left wing rant even though they are just that - facts. If you want to be sucked into the party line (whatever party) so be it but closing your eyes to any bit of information that doesn't tally with what you have been told is a dangerous thing.
FREEDOM is knowledge of one's necessity - Hegel
what we all agree upon is that 3 men were killed and 19 injured when a b-52 accidently dropped a 2000lb bomb around 100 meters away from these troops.
i dont think any of us are denying that, and we thank you for bringing this information to our attention. however, many of us right wingers, "WAR WAR WAR" supporters, as you call us, see this merely as an a hazard of war. when 2000lb explosives are being dropped, mistakes can and WILL happen. No one in the US Forces ever said they would never hurt civilians, they said they would try and minimise collateral damage. it was troops that were hurt, in the heat of battle, unfortunately by their own side.
shit happens. the media is playing this up, cos the whole world has turned squeamish, not willing to risk lives. well, here's some news: bombs are MEANT to kill, bullets are MEANT to cause death. it's all about minimising the risk, and they do this, often, through good technology. but the technology is not perfect. human error can cause problems at times as well.
what you lefties see it is a sign that the war isn't working, more evidence that war is a horrific, pointless excersise. well yes, war is horrific, none of us disagree. but it is far from pointless, and it brings me back to the question i've been asking since the war began:
what were supposed to do otherwise?
what angle dose that leave? this bomb would drop though two diffrent wind directions of diferent wind speeds, He did do well in how close he was BUT it should of been a low level attack or none at all.
19 injured 3 dead that 3 sections taken out of action, thats half a patrol.
[ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: Ibbow ]