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UK muslims fighting for the taliban killed
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www.teletext.co.uk news section report:
BRITONS DEAD IN AFGHAN RAIDS
Three British and two American Muslims, who went to Afghanistan to fight against the US, have been killed in action in Kabul, an Islamic group said.
Leader of the al-Muhajiroun, Hasan Butt, said the men "were martyred by the American bombing on Wednesday".
Two of the Muslims - Aftab Manzoor and Afzal Munir - came from Luton while the third, Yasir Khan, was from Crawley.
Oh dear how sad.
peacechild
BRITONS DEAD IN AFGHAN RAIDS
Three British and two American Muslims, who went to Afghanistan to fight against the US, have been killed in action in Kabul, an Islamic group said.
Leader of the al-Muhajiroun, Hasan Butt, said the men "were martyred by the American bombing on Wednesday".
Two of the Muslims - Aftab Manzoor and Afzal Munir - came from Luton while the third, Yasir Khan, was from Crawley.
Oh dear how sad.
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From Luton eh...Guess it makes a change from fighting the black gangs...Thugs will be thugs.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
suprised the british muslims havent called 4 a minutes silence yet
I'll die before I surrender.
Hitlers mum would have cried when he died. Stalins mum woulda cried..Pol Pot had family as did Mussolini.
They still all deserved to die, same as these men...They deserved to die and they deserved to die painfully.
Bloodthirsty hell, we haven't even started! You want bloodthirsty...wait until the 'snakeeaters' are finished with them...and while I'm at it...I haven't the slightest doubt that your SAS 'gentlemen' will make a right and proper showing of the 'tender mercies' of ye olde pirate kingdom as well.
Sadly, I doubt that a head can be found after one of those bombs hit...scraps for the dogs, nothing more.
Diesel
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Get a life.
These people would be prepared to kill you and your family for Islam, dont start crying because there mum will be upset, the mum should be shot for not bringing thier son up properly, there must have been something wrong in his upbrining to end up supporting the Taliban (people who fire bullets through womens heads for showing ankle flesh).
Celebrate, let fireworks off, pap your car horns, but for christs sake dont feel sorry for anyone over it.
I'll die before I surrender.
The west will destroy terrorism. If a few traitors die along the way then good riddance and so much the better.
RULE BRITTANIA
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Ok, so they are fighting on the ohter side, when they were brought up in england, but I can actually see why these people have such a hatred for america if you look at what america (and other western countries) have done. I don't agree with these people, and I don't want the american/english/other countries coalition to lose this 'war against terrorism'. Yet at the same time I don't want any fighters on either side to die, and definatly not in a slow and painful way which many of ou are calling for. Obviously, its a war, so people will die. But if they do I think it should at least be quick and painless. So they have a different view on things, a different religion, maybe, or a different upbringing which has given them different ideals. I wouldn't wish a slow and painful death to anyone, apart from maybe the likes of Osama himself. Sorry for being compassionate like that....
and MATW, i think a 2000 pounder is about as quick and painless a way to go, especially when it hits you direct.
either way, i couldn't care. i think these people are awfully misguided, especially since they ARE fighting a losing war. their loss, literally. i feel no sorry at the loss of life on their side, or for that matter, on our side, assuming the life taken is not that of a civilian. these people are part of an army, and in the case of the taliban and al qaeda, death is a good thing.
poor, misguided souls.
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
Anyone who lives in a country and takes all the good things paid by the UK tax payer, Health care, education, dole money, family benefit and then goes and fights against it is a sh##head.
I hope that not all of them do die. Lets hope the US/UK troops capture them, bring them back to the UK and try them for treason.
Death by hanging can be quite slow and painful.
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Well thats an interesting post there. Unfortunately you ruined it with your hypocracy. If you are compassionate then you wouldnt wish even Bin Laden to have a painful death..Why is he more deserving than someone who kills his own countrymen?
Im really not fussy...So long as they die, im happy.
If I go to Sierra Leone and attack a bunch of Brit soldiers then im going to prison if im still alive. These guys are muslims and they have a different upbringing as you said, so they will be let off and allowed back into this country if they survive..
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
What I was mainly going against was comments such as *from memory* "I hope they get tried for treason. I hear death by hanging is slow and painful. Jus because they are of a different religion/background/upbring or whatever, and they have different ideals, doesn't mean *in my opinion* that they should die slow painful deaths. It all seems a little creul to me.
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Just wondering where this thread is heading?
Discussion of the 'morality' of UK muslims' actions or exploration of the means to put these people and others to death?
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That bit sounds about right. Doesnt matter that they are muslims. They are UK citizens first and foremost in the eyes of the law.
Putting people to death is just a side issue
The only thing we can do is try them for treason, remove their citizenship and deport them. Actually, that aint half bad. Just add in public execution and it would be the perfect punishment.
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That's the very point. In their own words, they are not "British Muslims" but "Muslims who reside in Britain" - their primary and overriding loyalty is the the Islamic umma, not to any particular nation state.
Compare that with the USA, where "You are an American" is drilled in from Day 0.
In any case, I don't mourn their passing all that much. Yes, they were very likely victims of the faith meme, and their judgement was swayed by that handicap, but they still made a choice. The responsibility for their having been in the wrong place at the wrong time rests on each of them individually.
You're damn right we need a rational code of morality and ethics. But not much progress can be made in that direction while we've still got a majority ranting about gods, devils, souls, and absolute morality, and using an ancient book written by ignorant nomads as a guide.
Wha...You mean...The multiculturalists have been lying to us? Ive been told constantly for the past 10 years of my life that they are just as British as anyone else and now they arent?
Fortunately they are British first in the eyes of the law...for now at least.
One thing struck me though, with all their talk of being killers, they still wore masks over their faces. How scary and tough do you think these people really are?
I look forward to the day when all these traitorous bastards fight against British soldiers, and I look forward to seeing their faces when they realise they never stood a chance.
Their weaponry is hopelessly outdated, an RPG from the 1980's cannot hope to defeat the armour of an Abrahms or Challenger 2. Their T55's and T72's do not have the penetrative power to penetrate armour that has been described as the strongest substance know to man and can withstand blasts from all but the latest weaponry. Let's hope they realise that they will be in a world of shit when they see their missiles being deflected like peas hitting brick walls.
The Muslims in question have NOT broken any law. This is free country and they have as much rights as anyone on this board to oppose who they please.
The question of treason has not yet arisen because
a. They were killed in a bombing raid and were not at the time fighting any british forces.
b. Blair has not declared war against afganistan or the taleban. The only country to declare war at this time is america.
Therfore they could only have committed treason against america, and seeing as they are not american citizens they have not committed treason.
Turtle. You say that one day the world will come to it's senses. I really hope so because as long as war mongering idiots like you are around theres no hope for peace. Do you honestly want us all to fight and kill everyone just because they don't agree with your right wing ignorance?
And if you'all want my opinion,cause I know it'll fuck you off.
The American and British nation has been sticking it's unwelcome nose into the affairs of afghaniatan and the surrounding areas since the end of world war 2, hence the on going peace deals/crisis.
We have given them reason to hate us, then we armed them and trained them in terrorist tactics (so that they might fight our dirty battles for us) and then we funded the other side. Our collective nations are hypocritical to the extreme. The Americans got what they deserved. And so might we.
If you want to quote numbers, compared to the 2 - 6000 american dead from the taleban the american influence in other nation states accounts for over 8 million dead. All of them killed from direct intervention by american foreign policy.
And before anyone dare to crack off that civilian casualty shit, then consider this, of that 8 million killed by american intervention at least half were probably civilians. thats 6000 down, 3,994,000 to go. I mean you all seem to be crying for an eye for an eye. Well if thats the case then you've got a long time to wait before you get you go....
Saddam Hussien got it completely right when he said on Sept 11th. "You are reeping the seeds of your sown foreign policy"
Erm, how much news do you watch? Does "this is a war against terrorism and the nations who support it" ring any bells? I believe it was what Tony Blair said before the start of the war.
These muslims have committed treason for the following reasons:
They have defected from our country during a time of war-TREASON
They have stated they will "gladly kill British soldiers"-TREASON
They have stated they will "gladly kill any British or American soldiers/civilians in Pakistan"-TREASON
As a nation we are getting soft, like Baldog said, we are letting these small, shitty backwater countries walk all over us, it is no longer a case of "eye for an eye", nobody gives a shit. It is a case of "let's go in, kill the bastards and set an example".
If we stop the war, we will be seen as pushovers, other countries will see it as weakness.
The only solution is to stop pacifists like you from talking, you are causing more problems than you are solving, you consistently bring up US and UK foreign policy, THAT IS IN THE PAST. We are living in the present boys and girls, and in case you didnt realise, the world is a nasty place. You complain about the war because you haven't experienced it yet. If it was our country being attacked by anthrax you'd be going "why dont we do something?"
WELL WE ARE, live with it or join the other side, our country has no paitence for the likes of you. If you delved deeply enough you would find that over 80% of people support the war as the only solution. so shut up you damn hippy.
This is an interesting part of your post. We armed and trained the Mujahdeen to fight the USSR who had invaded their country. Without US aid, Afghanistan would now be a soviet satellite state. No doubt it was in our interests to have the Afghans beat the Soviets but I think it might also have benefitted the Afghans just a little. Hardly 'fighting our dirty battles for us'. We funded the other side? Are you getting a little confused here? We never funded the Soviet Union.
Yep our nations are hypocritical, everyone on this board agrees with that. However awful foreign policy may have been it never justifies the murder of 6000 innocents. Saying the people of the WTC deserved what they got because of the US governments activity in Afghanistan is just silly.
Nobody except a couple of passionate Americans are calling for an eye for an eye. I suggest you actually read the threads here.
but tell me pacifist, u wanna live in the past, let's discuss the past. the muhajideen.
now pacifist, what are ur views on communism? embodiment of evil? scurge of human race? u no doubt agreed with the general view that communism was not a good thing, and the sooner the USSR was brought down, the better for all of us. i'll go on the presumption, tell me if i'm wrong.
now, back to afghanistan, 1979. The USSR are moving in. bad thing, communist expansion. ever hear of the domino theory? where one nation falls to communism, the rest will follow? well, wouldn't afghanistan be a great time to set off a chain of dominoes? so what's the answer? stand back and see if communism IS going to succeed? or move in, fight another proxy war, like we (the West, for all intents and purposes) did in Korea and Vietnam? and that's what happened. we fought a proxy war to stop the spread of communism, the policy of containment being put into effect. so tell me, pacifist - what were we supposed to do there? THAT is why we armed the muhajideen.
a political vacuum in afghanistan left the land lawless, under the control of warlords. the taliban, from the south of the country, moved up and took control. well done. the only problem being, their islamic fundamentalists. not good. they're also primarily pashtun (sp?, correct me here), thus leaving other sections of afghan society out of power.
leaving a power vacuum was the Wests greatest mistake, maybe. but surely that is not something we should be attacked for. governments are only made of human's, and humans fuck up at times. so right now we are trying to fix mistakes made 20 years ago, the same deal as with the isreal/palestinian conflict.
but pacifist, i would be interested in hearing your SOLUTIONS, instead of you just telling us what we're doing wrong.
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
Most of what ya said seemed to make sense there, but I did pick up on this point. The 6000 didn't deserve what they got because of the US governments activity... but neothert do all the Afgan civilians who will die because of the Talibans activities.
Very true but there is a difference. We arent deliberately targetting the Afghan people in direct response to the actions of the Taliban. The attacks on the WTC were targetting directly at maximum civilian casulaties.
However demeaning it sounds, the civilian deaths in Afghanistan are accidental. We arent setting out to murder innocents and thats the difference
Funny how most of those who claim to want to go are still here, isn't it? Ironic that one of their 'spokesmen' was dressed in clothes made by a US multi-national...
Anyone else think that this is mainly tough talking from a group of kids trying to sound 'hard'?
"Perhaps my best years are gone, but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now." - Samuel Beckett
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you are so right there. I watch these spokesmen for the Al-Mujaharoun group talking about hows it the duty of EVERY muslim to fight the jihad...Of course it doesnt actually apply to him though does it. They jobcentre wouldnt be too happy and wouldnt believe you if you told them you couldnt make your sign on time because you were fighting the jihad against the evils of the west.