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Thanatos...AGAIN + jr
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Thanatos...AGAIN
Can you tell my why America is still bombing Afganistan please.
I am asking you or jr as I really dont understand.
Can you tell my why America is still bombing Afganistan please.
I am asking you or jr as I really dont understand.
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Diesel
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In case you missed it, they havent acheived their aims yet. Bin Laden is still on the loose, Al-Queda are damaged but still intact, the Taliban are still causing trouble around the place.
Why would they have stopped? Because the media attention has died down? They keep bombing till they do the job.
They didnt try to get Saddam last time..The fools
Job DEFINITELY has not yet been completed. Have you been watching the situation in Philippines? Indonesia not far behind.
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Of course I understand this but what I dont understand is the bombing, and the way it is done. If they are intent on bombing, now there needs to be Ops on the ground calling in pin point strike rather than this crude form of carpet bombing. As someone said America is just increasing its weapons budget the way it is fighting this war. And I must also say that america has killed tens of thousands of innocent people by using satalites to aquire targets and dropping bombs on these tagets.
To add a general point The american military is one of the worst trained in the western world, they reley heaverly on reps (1000 situps ect) this is why they dont send ground troops in they cant handle the yomping.
Since SAS is generally comparable to the SF that is engaged in Afgan-land, why don't YOU tell some of the SAS crowd how pathetic THEY are? See how well THAT goes over...
And you can substantiate that "america has killed tens of thousands of innocent people by using satalites to aquire targets and dropping bombs on these tagets..."
Eye-witness, eh?
What's that I hear? More bleating?
You'll find that the SAS is a far superior fighting force than any of the American special forces. The fact that they were on operations deep behind enemy lines before the Americans got there is proof of this.
The fact that not a single British troop has been killed is also proof of their skill.
You might also like to remember Thanatos, that the SAS are acting under command from the USA at the moment, and engaging targets they designate. If the US command don't designate the right target then they can't do very much can they?
What's that I smell coming from the states?? Smells like Bull shit.
If I was talking about SF's I would have said SF's. I will disagree with most and not class the American marines or rangers as SF's they are just trained better then the average soldier simmiler to the british Paras. I will however agree that the Navy seals are very good soldiers and very good at their jobs. Yourself being a Marine will know better than most the SAS are the best all round soliers in the world, and above comparison. This is not the point though.
Of course there are no eye witnesses because no-body can get close, it just stands to reason that if if you drop a carpet of bombs on a town to hit stratigic targets you will also hit houses, schools and hospitals. America has been bombing for months, it is now time for ground troops to move in and mop up. However this will NEVER happen, because when america starts to fill body bags with it own soldiers public support will be lost.
By bleating are you calling me a sheep for jumping on the liberal band wagon?
In the begining I was impressed at how america handled themselves, now I think they are acting purley for the intrest of themselves, not recognizing that people in Afganistan are human beings. if that makes me a sheep then BAA BAA BAA
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Im not sure what news sources you base this on but the Americans are not just carpet bombing everything that moves. They used the B52s and carpet bombed the Taliban front lines and the Taliban/Al-Queda strongholds in the mountains. When it comes to bombing near civilian centres they use the Special forces to specify the targets from the ground. I also think youre getting your bombing types confused. The bombs that use satellite guidance are the 'smart' bombs and are what youre referring to as pinpoint strikes. The carpet bombing is done with 'dumb' bombs with no satellite guidance, they are just done from within the B52s.
Id like to see a source for this number of 'tens of thousands'. The BBC and many other news sources but the number of civilians killed between 1000-5000.
Sorry but thats simply not true. Please provide a single story from any source(including arab news) that says the US has carpet bombed a town or village. It has never happened. The carpet bombing is confined to the strongholds and the frontlines.
Can I ask about your military training Binet? What experience have you had that gives you a better idea of what to do than the entire military machine of the USA. Are you privy to the same information as the US? Have you ever set foot in Afghanistan? Are you in contact with the Northern alliance troops? Do you have all the local information?
Didnt think so. You can sit here and act like an arm chair general like so many others but you shouldnt be so quick to send in the soldiers.
PS, I doubt very much whether body bags will lose support for this war. I actually think it will achieve the opposite in the current climate.
You also forgot the mention the millions who are now going to live because of the aid thats getting to the people rather than the Taliban. Remember that America is putting more aid into Afghanistan than most of the rest of the world put together. How many people knew about the food/water problems in Afghanistan before this whole thing? Millions of people are now alive because world attention is focused on the plight of the Afghan people.
And come on guys, bickering over whos military is best? Leave that in the school playground. While the SAS may be the best in the world, there are only about 250 of them. The US Marine Corps outnumbers our entire army. It kind of evens out.
There are no innocents in Afganistan...
SAS are a fine group of well trained men...and there aren't a whole lot of them, probably because the ol pirate kingdom fears training folks to be that independent and then turning them loos on themselves...and this is not a slam!
Don't know their current standing but I would have rated them more closely with US Rangers...who had their origins under English rule in US during the French & Indian War.
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Edited for Anti-semitic comments Squinty <IMG alt="image" SRC="mad.gif" border="0">
[ 18-01-2002: Message edited by: Squinty ]
Afganistan as I am sure you are awear was run by warlords with a number of stongholds all over the place these are what the US is bombing, surronding these places were groups civilians supporting the soliders trading food and clothes for protection, this does not make them supporters to any warlord but just trying to live.
I also think youre getting your bombing types confused. The bombs that use satellite guidance are the 'smart' bombs and are what youre referring to as pinpoint strikes. The carpet bombing is done with 'dumb' bombs with no satellite guidance, they are just done from within the B52s.
I said use satellites to aquire targets, not guide the misiles and bombs. the pinpoint strikes I am talking about come from the MLRS and other forms of artillery not just from the air.
Id like to see a source for this number of 'tens of thousands'. The BBC and many other news sources but the number of civilians killed between 1000-5000
My source is logic and understaning of the way afgans have had to live. As with many forms of media the BBC is cencored by the goverment.
You also forgot the mention the millions who are now going to live because of the aid thats getting to the people rather than the Taliban. Remember that America is putting more aid into Afghanistan than most of the rest of the world put together. How many people knew about the food/water problems in Afghanistan before this whole thing? Millions of people are now alive because world attention is focused on the plight of the Afghan people.
OK that justifys it all
Can I ask about your military training Binet?
No
What experience have you had that gives you a better idea of what to do than the entire military machine of the USA. Are you privy to the same information as the US?
The one thing I do have is a conscience.
Have you ever set foot in Afghanistan? Are you in contact with the Northern alliance troops? Do you have all the local information?
Didnt think so. You can sit here and act like an arm chair general like so many others but you shouldnt be so quick to send in the soldiers.
Agreed the land war must be done with extreme caution, but this is no justification killing innocent people, I would rather 10 soldiers (who are paid to fight and die), than 1 civillian.
PS, I doubt very much whether body bags will lose support for this war. I actually think it will achieve the opposite in the current climate.
American people are very proud, and cant face any losses, public support is already slacking, which is why it is not publicied anymore.
[ 18-01-2002: Message edited by: Binet-Simon ]
Well, it MUST be true, 'cause 'e saw it in 'is 'ead! <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Yeah, I would GUESS that is the level of substantiation to which you are privvy... wild ass guess to support bleating.
btw ~ I do not get into bullshit verbal jousts as to which branch of which military is most effective... that activity is reserved for never-will-be's to stroke themselves with. Unless you care to have Brit SAS go head-to-head with US SF for bragging rights, it STAYS in the realm of a bullshit wetdream. "My daddie can beat up your daddie"... <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
That don't mean YOU have the informed perspective to open your sewer... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
'Course, it COULD mean you think you're tougher and better trained PERSONALLY than US SF... <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> ...which is the opening for PROVE IT!
Again, YOU are speaking from your years of training with the SAS, and your evaluation comes from what you witnessed while deployed with SF?
Naw... the stench of the bullshit is from your OWN sewer...
[ 18-01-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
As for US loosing interest...wrong again, it is all over the news all the time with live and replays of video/action!
It matters not one whit to me whether everyone in New Texas bites a bomb or not...they attacked us and we should have nuked them into a heap of radioactive glass for the bother.
The really great results of the war is the 'liberal' demoncratic party in US is in disarray, literally brought to its knees for lack of an issue that garners public interest or support...now, that is a good thing.
Heroin merchants will be crying soon...the Afgan labs are being destroyed and I suspect the poppy fields will receive visito of mystery sprayers with biological agenst to destroy the flower crop.
US industry is already gearing up with new smart bombs, predator aircraft (armed), and lots of bigger and better 'daisy cutters' for those special places.
With any intelligence at all the next big target will be Saudia Arabis, source of all the wahhabis extremism.
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Again, YOU are speaking from your years of training with the SAS, and your evaluation comes from what you witnessed while deployed with SF?
Naw... the stench of the bullshit is from your OWN sewer...
I don't know what you have against me, but every argument I come up with you shoot it down by claiming I am a sheep, or that I am making assumptions. Why exactly? You have never actually rubbished one of my arguments, but instead you try to rubbish me. Any person can resort to name calling as we have seen. And any person can bring up the same old argument time and time again. You did it before, Diesel did it while you were gone and now you're doing it again.
In NONE of my posts have you come up with a decent reply, except to say that I'm hardly some sort of combat veteran. I never said I was, but I very much doubt you are a student of social policy/criminology, I doubt you even know what they are.
You stick to your guns and nukes, and we'll stick to our words. And you'll find that while your away fighting against a hopelessly outgunned enemy, (a lot like the big bully in the playground stealing sweets) we have been in the USA getting the president to sign over the rights to your country to us. he's such a dumb ass he would probably do it.
Your only arguments are your logic and your conscience. Until you can provide sources then your argument means nothing. Just give me one source from any news agency which shows the US is carpet bombing civilian areas.
You sound like an intelligent person Binot but you cant argue using your own guess work alone.
Binet, if you can find a better way of killing hundreds of your enemy while risking few of your own, then I'd be glad to hear it.
Personally I think that the US is still acting in the best posible way over there. They are bombing the shit out of the Taliban and yet providing aid to those who need it. Can't ask for more than that...
Binet, the pu-up or shut-up line will win I'm afraid. I started off right back at the start of the Afghan conflict saying that we should not be invading and bombing the innocent, rather target the military action on the Al-Qaeda troops, not the Taliban itself.
But when you think about it, there is very little choice. This thing has to be sorted out sooner rather than later otherwise the terrorists we are trying to defeat will simply reappear and make all the current military action pointless.
Whilst indiscriminate bombing is indeed not ideal, I don't believe the USAF and British Army ever intended for significant loss of civilian life.
Unless you can provide an effective alternative, I say the bombing should continue until our goals are met.
Really? Don't remember the Americans having any Special Operations soldiers captured in Desert Storm, even though they deployed far more of them than the British did. I do remember the commander of the 22 SAS requesting assistance from the Americans on a number of occasions in the past. Might help to actually have a clue what you are talking about, mightn't it?
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I think that the main reason that the US Veterans just call you bleeting sheep is because even if they explained themselves you would not understand.
OK mister, I'm a big collage student and my idealism can really work in the real world. Shoot away with your best stuff. I'm close to a BA in Political Science and I'm active duty in the Marine Corps. I work in Signals Intel, and have access to vast info you will never know. So whatever it is you want to discuss just post a new thread laying it out. I'll do my best to actually make your ideas look stupid, instead of just calling you a sheep.
Casualties in Afgahnastan. The US Military is actually being critisized for over focusing on not killing civilians that is it taking to long to accomplish the mission. That is coming from everywhere, not just gun slinging Republicans. We have had several chances to take out Terrorist leaders, but they were to enveloped by civilains that we didn't take the shots.
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if you're such a hotshot at anything and everything, why do you come here and not use any of that? I'd kindly take to you discussing your arguments in a civilised way, than to being called a sheep anyday! I'm not gonna start a new topic about it, and I accept maybe I don't know a lot of the stuff you go on about (you have an unfair advantage) but you also have to accept that in reality you don't know half the stuff we go on about.
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I dont like answering this question for personal reason but I guess at some piont I will have to.
I joined as an air defended (FSC), I then started training for the op position that goes with it, it was during the final phase of this training that I started to have a change of heart on the whole matter and decided that modern warfare was not somthing that I wanted to be part of or could I justify bring down artillery fire, killing inocent people.
That is such complete crap that illustrates exactly why you come across as such an arrogant, big-headed fool. America are not going to take control of Afghanistan (by the way, calling it new Texas is a joke. Texas is the most laughed at state) and if they did it would be going against any morals they have ever set, and every promise they made about this war. Grow up.
Whats that I hear? Another post without answering any arguments, and jus resorting to relying on the fact that if you call anyone apart from balddog who is british a sheep it will sort out any problems. Hell, why don't you just come back at this post by amusingly talking about my cranial suppository and then going on about how great america is cos it can bomb any country to shreads, moan about how much money ya give to other people, despite americas huge debts of her own yet not actually answering anybodies argument?
Calling it New Texas might be partially a joke, but the reason it would be called New Texas is it's large areas of oil and gas. If we develope those industries it would be alot better than having to give them aid for ever and again.
what happened to once world-famous British sense for ironic humour?
It's kinda German approach as they once found out they are not able to win wars with SS anymore, they switched to Siemens, Basf, VW and other smart ammunition, but in the end of the day it seems like clever solution.
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I just don't get other guy's bullshit about BBC being censored, innocents being killed by tens thousands and other commie-like propaganda going around here.