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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
Is it me, or are all modern feminists just plain sexist. I fully agree with equal rights, as long as thats what they are. equal.

ut the likes of Germaine Greer are getting out of hand. They don't want equal rights, they want men to be the underdogs. Its no longer, "women should be equal" Its "women should be equal. And men should be less equal!"

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm with you all the way mate. We men should stand up for ourselves. I think we should start with banning women from drinking pints.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And todays gems from the archives of equality are:

    1. When interviewing candidates you must not take into consideration the differences between men and women. The fact that women are more likely to want maternity time is irrelevant, and to use that as a negative point is sexist.

    However, a recent court case has found that working mothers should be given consideration when looking at working hours, and that they should be given preferential treatment.

    2. If a women sunbathes in her garden naked and sees her next door neighbour watching, she can have him arrested for stalking/causing a nuisance. He has no case against her.

    However, if he is in his garden sunbathing naked and she sees him she can have him arrested for indecent exposure. He has no case against her...

    #########################

    I thank you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    All specific civil rights movements have come almost full circle now. Things have gone too far. Its come to the point where women cant possibly be sexist and to say they are is sexist in itself..Urgh

    Welcome to the world of politically correct.

    MOK,

    I was disgusted by that court ruling about the womans working hours...Can you IMAGINE the fury that would have arisen had a man said that women are more likely to be at home with the kids? My god it would bring down the sky....Of course they are perfectly happy to say it when it benefits them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    HOW DARE YOU ALL, its the time of the month you see <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    its the time of the month you see

    HOLY CRAP....You cant say that...Its discrimination against women on the sole basis of their physicality..You wouldnt have made that crack about a man..You bloody sexist pig <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    I have a feeling we might get our arses kicked if any of the ladies read this <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:


    I have a feeling we might get our arses kicked if any of the ladies read this <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;


    on the politics thread ? that would be novel, only joking ladies (creep, creep, creep) <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;


    drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route

    [This message has been edited by ebenEzer bad (edited 23-11-2001).]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You may find this hard to believe but I do actually agree with most of what you've said and I am a woman.
    Feminists piss me off they say they want to be treated equally when in fact they want everything their way.
    Dont get me wrong I am of the opinion that a woman can do any job a man can do. But its when you get down to the finer details they then want special treatment because they are a woman like being able to work when they want cause they've got children.

    I dont agree with one of your points though and that was:-
    Originally posted by Whowhere:
    I think we should start with banning women from drinking pints.

    Thats a bit harsh. Please dont deprive me of my pint of cider and black :EEK:

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Miss P:

    I dont agree with one of your points though and that was:-
    Thats a bit harsh. Please dont deprive me of my pint of cider and black :EEK:



    Thats exactly why we must ban you from drinking pints. You insist on ruining the wonderful flavour of cider by putting blackcurrant in it, you people sicken me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not that I feel I have to justify myself to you But:-

    where I live the only cider they sell in pubs is Strongbow which to me isn't proper Cider. Hence why I have to add blackcurrant!

    If we had the luxury of proper cider i.e Blackthorns or Scrumpy then I would not add the blackcurrant. Ok <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Feminists, lol! They talk about how prison is not the answer, then contradict themselves by saying rapists and wife beaters should get longer sentences. Hmmmmmm..... Feminist or Sexist?!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    'Cos its amusing <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    *hides*
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:


    2. If a women sunbathes in her garden naked and sees her next door neighbour watching, she can have him arrested for stalking/causing a nuisance. He has no case against her.

    However, if he is in his garden sunbathing naked and she sees him she can have him arrested for indecent exposure. He has no case against her...

    B]

    MoK that wouldn't be from Dave Allen would it?

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i SO agree with all of this. another classic of course is the situation sorrounding rape. if a woman accuses a man of having raped her, his name is basically mud, and everyone assumes that he is guilty. fourtunatley there have been a few cases recently where the women were shown to be lying thru their teeth, but even so. . . . . . .

    and we musn't forget divorces!!!! when was the last time you heard of a man coming out on top from one of those? usually, she gets the house, the car, the kids, the money and a large chunk of his wage. he gets all the bills!!! maybe thats why guyz shy away from commitment??????

    women now use sexual discrimination laws whenever things dont go their way, basically. didnt get that job? must be sexual discrimination - sue 'em!!

    the amount of control women have over children in relationships is shocking. fathers basically dont have any rights at all, and that is not a major exageration . .

    Because I want more stars.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with Baby Bio...Sexual inequality comes out nowhere stronger than with kids.

    Take the abortion arguments. Men dont have any say in whether the woman gets rid of the baby or not. Its her body so the man shouldnt have anything to do with it(so they say).

    But when it comes down to looking after the child then its ALL down to the man. If a woman decides to keep a child she cant afford to keep against the mans wishes then he will be held responsible in a financial way for the rest of his life.

    The hypocracy of womens rights is amazing.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Male-bashing could prove 'disastrous,' authors warn
    New book on misandry


    Graeme Hamilton
    National Post
    14 november 2001
    MONTREAL - Men feeling down on themselves need look no further than their
    local greeting-card shop or video-rental store for an explanation, the
    Montreal authors of a controversial new book argue.

    In Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture,
    McGill University professor Katherine Young and co-author Paul Nathanson
    warn that male-bashing is so pervasive in movies, television, comic strips
    and even greeting cards, it could have "disastrous consequences" for
    society.

    Dr. Nathanson, who has been working with Dr. Young on the project for 15
    years, said misandry -- the hatred of men -- is unexplored academic terrain.

    "I don't even know how to pronounce it," he said during an interview
    yesterday. "I've never heard the word used." He said the U.S. Library of
    Congress has three books under the heading of misandry but thousands under
    misogyny -- the term for hatred of women.

    The authors hope their book, published by McGill-Queen's University Press,
    will make the word a part of everyday vocabulary.

    "Our hypothesis is that, like misogyny once upon a time, misandry has become
    so deeply embedded in our culture that few people -- including men -- even
    recognize it," they write.

    Men who are offended are reluctant to take a stand because of "the taboo on
    male vulnerability," they write.

    The examples of misandry cited cover a broad range. They refer to a greeting
    card that said, "Men are scum" on the outside and inside, "Excuse me. For a
    second there, I was feeling generous." They take issue with Blondie, Hagar
    the Horrible and Beetle Bailey, saying "pathetic men are de rigueur in comic
    strips."

    The brunt of their attack, however, is reserved for television and movies,
    everything from Home Improvement and Beavis and Butt-Head to Sleeping with
    the Enemy and Silence of the Lambs. Men are laughed at, denigrated or
    demonized, receiving treatment that would never be acceptable if directed at
    women, they say.

    Dr. Young, a professor of religious studies at McGill, said her research has
    attracted some hostility from "ideological feminists" who believe women are
    superior to men.

    "As we wrote it, we realized it's going against the grain, and therefore
    it's going to be controversial," she said.

    She added that being a tenured professor made it easier for her to take on
    the controversial topic without fear of harm to her career.

    Some may be tempted to dismiss the book as another example of academics
    overly obsessed with popular culture. Its index is peppered with such
    entries as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Gloria Gaynor, Murphy Brown, Sex and
    the City and The Vagina Monologues. One appendix, titled the Misandric Week
    on Television, analyzes a week of TV Guide listings for examples of
    dastardly men.

    The book is the first of three volumes about misandry the pair will publish
    with McGill-Queen's. Dr. Young said the issue needs to be explored because
    it is exacting a social toll.

    Fed a popular-culture diet of men who are either hapless or downright evil,
    boys and young men are feeling more alienated, she said. "What group wants
    to live with constant negative stereotyping?"

    Even more serious is the gulf such portrayals create between the sexes.
    "What happens to society when the prevailing world view is dualistic, with
    one group seen as good and the other as evil?" she asked. In their book, the
    authors warn such polarization could provoke a backlash.

    "If men are told over and over again that they are not only brutal subhumans
    in general but also hostile to women in particular, they are likely to say,
    'So be it ...' What goes around, according to the old saying, comes around,"
    they write.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Dan_the_man:
    MoK that wouldn't be from Dave Allen would it?

    Not that I'm aware of. Guess it's becoming more well known as the 'Male Rights' movement takes off.

    I'm certainly aware of the erosion of male rights as the years pass. I am in favour of equality, but that's as far as it goes. Either women want equality, or they want to be treated as special.

    I was brought up to believe that men should hold a door open for a lady, that I should give up my seat on a bus etc - to me that is manners.

    However, I was also brought up to believe that if you sign up for the forces then you don't get pregnant and sue when you are sacked - you made yourself unfit for service ffs! It's no better than going AWOL.

    Like I said, I believe in equality and if that means that I will have to fight to have some equality for men then I will do so.

    How many Dads get custody of the children in a divorce?

    How many men get to decide if a baby is aborted?

    Why is domestic violence against men taboo?

    Why so much focus on breast and cervical cancer, when prostate cancer will affect a larger percentage of the population?

    Why should women tennis players get paid the same as men at Wimbledon when the maximum number of sets they will play during the course of the tournament is the minimum that a man will play...?

    These are just examples of how society can be unjust towards men too. I have no doubt that women get treated unfairly in many situations, but that should detract from the fact that it happens to both sexes.

    (does this mean that in the balance of things life treates us as equals, because BOTH sexes are treated unfairly at some point? <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/confused.gif"&gt; )

    Equality - Yes. But at what point did we get to the two legs bad, four legs good mentality?

    <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/parental.gif"&gt;

    Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage.
    http://www.faceparty.com/manofkent

    [This message has been edited by Man Of Kent (edited 24-11-2001).]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Some things men and women can do on an equal footing, they should receive equal pay/status or whatever.

    However IMO some things women do better & some things men do better.

    Why is there such a problem with that.

    peacechild

    Peace through superior firepower
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just to say that feminism sucks, and this is coming from a girl. Nothing wrong with being equal, but there is a point where things go to far.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah, women are rubbish! Do my own ironing indeed!

    "Excellent!" <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/Gif/burns.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
    Yeah, women are rubbish! Do my own ironing indeed!


    Yeah, women are better than men at somethings and vice versa. It isn't our fault that women are better at everything that doesn't involve sitting on their arses watching TV! Everyone knows they are better at ironing, thats why they do it!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Note that ya never see men in washing powder adverts....
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Apart from Shane Ritchie doing the door-step challenge for Daz
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He doesn't count. He's a twat. Roll on the revolution. Him and Danny Baker both...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
    Note that ya never see men in washing powder adverts....

    How about Julian Claery <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">....

    (Lol, I don't even know how to spell it!!)

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
    Do my own ironing indeed!

    What is that?

    All evil needs to thrive is for good men to sit back and do nothing
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bit like the instuctions on a washing machine, some sort of secret coded dribble that only women seem to understand

    drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
  • Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Mega Poster Posts: 2,822
    Originally posted by ebenEzer bad:
    bit like the instuctions on a washing machine, some sort of secret coded dribble that only women seem to understand


    well i certainly dont. that's what mums are for! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    equality for all sexes is different to feminism. it started off with women having a lower status than men, they worked to make the status of women higher, and they're not stopping now they've pretty much achieved equality. feminism can definitely go too far.

    abortion's a dodgy topic, no matter which way you come at it. if i got pregnant, i wouldnt want anyone dictating to me whether i had the baby or not. the decision on whether to have an abortion or not is difficult enough as it is, it would be unimaginable if you had to consider the father's right as well. but im aware that this viewpoint isnt very "equal", and fathers should have rights as well. i dont have any answers for abortion though. in custody battles, i dont think it should ever be assumed that the mother is a better care giver than the father. that would be a good place to start making equality actually equal, and not men being less equal than women <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
    Yeah, women are rubbish! Do my own ironing indeed!

    Damn right I do my own ironing!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by ebenEzer bad:
    bit like the instuctions on a washing machine, some sort of secret coded dribble that only women seem to understand


    i swear, the space shuttle goes into orbit with less buttons, dials, knobs, screens, flashing lights etc than ur average washing machine has!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/eek.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/confused.gif"&gt; and it STILL manages to shrink things! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/mad.gif"&gt; give me NASA any day <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;



    Because I want more stars.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Baby Bio:
    i swear, the space shuttle goes into orbit with less buttons, dials, knobs, screens, flashing lights etc than ur average washing machine has!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/eek.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/confused.gif"&gt; and it STILL manages to shrink things! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/mad.gif"&gt; give me NASA any day <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;



    Yes, but as a result washing machines aren't in the habit of exploding in a fireball of hydrogen and bodies.
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