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What do you think about it

Should it be banned?

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[This message has been edited by alexanderlebbon (edited 26-06-2001).]
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by alexanderlebbon:
    What do you think about it

    Should it be banne?


    Yep.

    And that comes from a good 'ol country boy.

  • Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Mega Poster Posts: 2,822
    eh? isnt there a topic about this already, started by the same person?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know i put it the action forum i was supposed to put it in here.

    Suffering is everywhere. Don't think it isn't. So are miracles. Don't think they aren't.

    [This message has been edited by alexanderlebbon (edited 10-07-2001).]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know people in my village who go fox hunting and have even been a couple of times myself. I can see where it can be fun but I don't really agree with hunting with dogs. It puts the chase animal under huge amounts of stress. The main advantage is that it weeds out any poorly, injured or sick foxes (or deer if your talking about coursing).

    Living where I do I realise that they have to be managed though. In my view culling with a rifle is the best option.

    My main worry is that other similar but less cruel sports may follow if fox hunting is banned.

    Owning a shotgun I enjoy pheasant, duck and woody (pigeon) shooting. And also love fishing. I am worried that once the protesters get their way with fox hunting then these sports will follow.

    I don't see the problem with hunting unless the quarry is a pest that carries disease like rats or if the animal is to be eaten afterwards. If I get a brace of Pheasants for instance, they wouldn't be thrown away. I'd eat 'em. I don't see the point of killing something for the sake of it.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kill the bitch ass mutha fuckas who hunt.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If they are killing the foxes in a humane way, and it is requried that the number of foxes is kept down then I don't see anything wrong with it.

    However I read that studies showed that the fox population does not spiral out of control, it stops at a certain level.

    Another view is that we shold leave nature along as by protecting one species from extinction we are going against gods will and interfering with evolution.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Outsider:
    If they are killing the foxes in a humane way, and it is requried that the number of foxes is kept down then I don't see anything wrong with it.

    If a pack of dogs ripping a fox apart having chased it for miles can be considered humane, then there is something wrong with society.



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The thing which puzzles me is that it's a "sport". Aside form the ethics and fox control or whatever...how the hell can anyone enjoy chasing an animal down and watching their dogs rip it to pieces?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by ~*LIBERTY*~:
    The thing which puzzles me is that it's a "sport". Aside form the ethics and fox control or whatever...how the hell can anyone enjoy chasing an animal down and watching their dogs rip it to pieces?


    The thing is hunting is a sport. I think it's instinct to enjoy hunting. Having said that in this day and age I would like to think that this sort of hunting is banned. To me if I'm shooting it's the andrenalin rush you get that makes it fun not the sight of a poor animal getting mauled. I reckon if an animal has to be culled let it be shot and if your hunting for sport don't kill anything unless you intend to eat it.

    I don't agree with fox hunting but I'm worried that other similar less cruel sports will follow. Fishing is my main hobby, ppl have been doing it for thousands of years, other animals do it It's instinct, it's natural!



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  • the_Paranoid_bunnythe_Paranoid_bunny Rampant Poster Posts: 487 Boards Initiate
    foxes are murderous pests.

    for each chicken/rabbit/sheep that they are going to eat, they kill 10 others just for the hell of it.

    i am of the opinion that chickens/rabbits/sheeps are more important to the human race that foxes.

    kill them. kill the bastards; before they kill us (well, our food!)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Foxes are mainly scavangers eating already dead animals, rubbish and bugs and things as well. Only a small part of their diet is made up from larger quarry.

    Foxes I can tell you very rarely take sheep! The only time you have to worry is with the new born lambs.

    Rabbits are more of a pest than foxes so what are you going on about?

    They do kill chickens but if you take proper precautions your chickens won't have a problem.

    As for foxes killing for the sake of it - thats true! Isn't fox hunting human beings killing a animal for the sake of it?


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  • Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Mega Poster Posts: 2,822
    Originally posted by Skive'n'Dive:
    Rabbits are more of a pest than foxes so what are you going on about?

    he's a bit of a rabbit lover, check the name <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;
    As for foxes killing for the sake of it - thats true! Isn't fox hunting human beings killing a animal for the sake of it?

    well exactly. its not as if theyre just killing foxes to stop them being pests either, they make a day of it and go and enjoy the whole thing, why should our species be allowed to have fun out of the torture, torment and death of another creature? hardly an effective method of pest control i think.

    "That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
    ~ Nietzsche
  • the_Paranoid_bunnythe_Paranoid_bunny Rampant Poster Posts: 487 Boards Initiate
    Originally posted by Skive'n'Dive:
    Rabbits are more of a pest than foxes so what are you going on about?
    what problems are rabbits causing exactly? at least we can eat rabbits. foxes are useless.

    They do kill chickens but if you take proper precautions your chickens won't have a problem.
    by "proper precautions" i assume you mean killing the damn foxes.
  • Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Mega Poster Posts: 2,822
    i dont see whats wrong with proper fencing and stuff like that, rather than just killing them. i mean, cats take fish out of garden ponds... but no one goes round killing the cats! they just put wire or something over the pond. seems like the best idea to me.

    "That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
    ~ Nietzsche
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spot the difference:

    Fox - Kills chickens and small animals because it is a natural predator.

    Man - Kills fox because it's a jolly nice day out.

    As I said I am a country boy, born and raised and have had pets killed by foxes. Basically a fox is doing something which is part of it's natural instinct. It doesn't have a gang of mates round to join in, it doesn't chase the animals across fields for miles with a pack of dogs, it doesn't smear the blood of the dead animal around it's children's faces to 'blood'them, it doesn't go to the pub afterwards for a celebatory drink.

    Fox hunting is not about ridding the countryside of a 'pest' but is purely a social event.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Girl-From-Mars:
    hardly an effective method of pest control i think.


    Actually it's probably the most effective because it sorts out the strong and healthy foxes from the weak and sickly. The problem is, it's not pleasant and it's not that necessary. To cull them would be even more simple if they were shot.

    Shooting may not be as effective but I'm sure it's good enough.

    When I said take proper precautions with chickens I meant proper fencing and shit.

    When's the last time you ate rabbit anyway? There's no chance of foxes making an dent into the rabbit population.

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    [This message has been edited by Skive'n'Dive (edited 04-07-2001).]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Girl-From-Mars:
    hardly an effective method of pest control i think.


    Actually it's probably the most effective because it sorts out the strong and healthy foxes from the weak and sickly. The problem is, it's not pleasant and it's not that necessary. To cull them would be even more simple if they were shot.

    Shooting may not be as effective but I'm sure it's good enough.

    When I said take proper precautions with chickens I meant proper fencing and shit.



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  • Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Mega Poster Posts: 2,822
    Originally posted by Skive'n'Dive:
    When I said take proper precautions with chickens I meant proper fencing and shit.

    yeah thats what i thought you meant.

    but surely if its a method of sorting the weak from the strong.... the weak ones would end up getting killed more readily? and dont the farmers want to kill off the stronger ones so they arent able to do damage to their chickens? surely the strong ones would be worse to have around than the weak ones?

    and i agree with what MOK said, its just a social event. my ex-biology teacher has very strong views on this and you should hear him <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; hehe very funny.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Although fox hunting is brutal the participants usually are the ppl who otherwise make an extremely good job of managing the countyside. Here where I live in a village in Wiltshire there is a local hunt. I've been on it a couple of times. I didn't really enjoy it it's not really my type of thing but while I disliked the brutal side I also got a kick out of the chase.

    The bloke who runs it is my local estates gamekeeper. He's not some snotty bloke just a down-to-earth bloke and has grown up as a right country-bumpkin. His intrest in the hunt is for the purpose of culling, some of the toffs on the otherhand do it for the kill.

    He dosn't want to kill the strong ones, just keep the number at level that meens he dosn't lose too many pheasants and other game in the year. Weeding out the weeker ones is just a way of managing the enviroment. Foxes are useful by the way they clean up a lot of week and sick animals by eating them.

    I've written all this to show only SOME of the arguments for fox hunting because there's a lack of people here to do so.

    But I myself would like to see it banned.

    As long as other sports such as shooting (live quarry) and fishing remain left untouched.



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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    survival of the fittest

    for billions of years the world has been inhumane, let it continue, we are animals and the purpose of our lives is to help the human race as a whole to survive and make our quality of life better by living in colonies over the planet and working together. (in my opinion anyway)

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  • the_Paranoid_bunnythe_Paranoid_bunny Rampant Poster Posts: 487 Boards Initiate
    MD. you're right. i agree with you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the_Paranoid_bunny:
    MD. you're right.

    yeah obviously <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;
    i agree with you.

    you mean some dont? <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/eek2.gif"&gt;

    call me satan <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/angryfire.gif"&gt;

    [This message has been edited by MasterDevilish (edited 07-07-2001).]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MasterDevilish:
    survival of the fittest

    for billions of years the world has been inhumane, let it continue, we are animals and the purpose of our lives is to help the human race as a whole to survive and make our quality of life better by living in colonies over the planet and working together. (in my opinion anyway)


    Horseshit.

    This has nothing to do with 'survival of the fittest'. This is about people glorying in the death of another animal.

    It doesn't improve our quality of life, if anything it abtually shows us just how callous the human race really is, and how little we care about the world that surrounds us.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    Horseshit.

    This has nothing to do with 'survival of the fittest'. This is about people glorying in the death of another animal.


    And your point is???
    For millenia we have done this, we have proven that we are on top. We are at the top of the food chain, I know it sounds heartless but the truth usually is. Fox hunting is around because there is a demand for it, it doesnt matter about cruelty, for centuries we as humans have taken a delight in watching other animals and humans suffer, it is in our nature, it is part of our primitive side which for centuries we have tried to suppress but are unable to. How many of you have tortued younger siblings just for fun? Or tortured small animals or pulled the wings of flies? Just to see what happens??!?!? I bet you all have, I bet even now you enjoy visiting sites like rotten.com just to see those pictures, you say they are disgusting but deep down they are appealing, it is part of everyone. Even though there are millions of people who are againsnt animal cruelty, myself being one of them, there are many more millions who kill for sport and always will do.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Man Of Kent:
    This has nothing to do with 'survival of the fittest'. This is about people glorying in the death of another animal.

    It doesn't improve our quality of life, if anything it abtually shows us just how callous the human race really is, and how little we care about the world that surrounds us.

    ah huh...so we're callous? anyone would think we originated as hunters or something <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/eek.gif"&gt;

    the world around us...to survive we manipulate it, take from it's sources and use them to live. perhaps we should not deriviate any energy through burning fossil fuels, use nuclear power or farm using the most efficient methods 'cuz hey - lets not muck up the world we live in.

    by the time it comes to a point at which the planet is ruined, we will have moved, as a race, someplace else. by the time the sun is no longer burning, we will have a new life source.

    attitudes change, you have a differing one to me. i believe we're here for no other means than carry on the survival of the human race. what we do individually is of little importance, we all die in the end and only the smallest of percentages will remember us. then they die and we shall be forgotten unless we have made some kind of mark in history. we're barbaric animals. less so than those who have gone before us but more so than those to come. killing foxes, is it really that big an issue? there will always be foxes around, if they were an endangered species, Britain is the kind of country that would stop the killing of them.

    i look to more important issues - the curing of cancer, one of the fastest spreading diseases of this generation and something that may have the potential to be the end of us unless we can work towards finding a cure.

    the third world - the divide between us and them in lifestyles is horrific. people of our kind suffering a worse fate than any fox.

    im sorry, but as fox hunting isnt the most widespread of activites in the world and doesnt have a huge impact on the present pressing isssues, it isnt as large a factor for me as it may be for you.


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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MasterDevilish:
    ah huh...so we're callous? anyone would think we originated as hunters or something <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/eek.gif"&gt;

    the world around us...to survive we manipulate it, take from it's sources and use them to live. perhaps we should not deriviate any energy through burning fossil fuels, use nuclear power or farm using the most efficient methods 'cuz hey - lets not muck up the world we live in.

    by the time it comes to a point at which the planet is ruined, we will have moved, as a race, someplace else. by the time the sun is no longer burning, we will have a new life source.

    attitudes change, you have a differing one to me. i believe we're here for no other means than carry on the survival of the human race. what we do individually is of little importance, we all die in the end and only the smallest of percentages will remember us. then they die and we shall be forgotten unless we have made some kind of mark in history. we're barbaric animals. less so than those who have gone before us but more so than those to come. killing foxes, is it really that big an issue? there will always be foxes around, if they were an endangered species, Britain is the kind of country that would stop the killing of them.

    i look to more important issues - the curing of cancer, one of the fastest spreading diseases of this generation and something that may have the potential to be the end of us unless we can work towards finding a cure.

    the third world - the divide between us and them in lifestyles is horrific. people of our kind suffering a worse fate than any fox.

    im sorry, but as fox hunting isnt the most widespread of activites in the world and doesnt have a huge impact on the present pressing isssues, it isnt as large a factor for me as it may be for you.



    I have no argument with most of the points you raise. Doesn't mean we should ignore it tho'

    There are many issues we focus on which, in the grand scheme of things, are actually irrelvant. This just happens to be one that offends a large portion of the population, and to be honest I don't think that continuing to hunt foxes will cure cancer either.

    An act of parliment isn't going to cure cancer either, but what it can do is enforce the will of the majority, which in this case is to ban of fox hunting. I'm sure that Parliment is aware that the public don't want to die of cancer either, but this is easier to address and can be done quickly.

    That said if you gave me a straight choice between saving foxes or humanity then I know which one I would go for.

    But it isn't that simple, is it?

    Oi. George W. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/flip.gif"&gt;

    [This message has been edited by Man Of Kent (edited 10-07-2001).]
  • the_Paranoid_bunnythe_Paranoid_bunny Rampant Poster Posts: 487 Boards Initiate
    if anyone here thinks that fox hunting is not right, then don't do it... you can sit somewhere, doing whatever you like as long as it's not fox hunting and leave everyone else the fuck alone!

    i don't mind and quite frankly don't care what you all believe in, but if you think your opinion is so damn important that it gives you the right to stop someone else doing what they believe in, you can go fuck yourself.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm gonna have to be with bunny on this, I find it totally fox hunting totally cruel, Some people do enjoy it for some strange reason and tho I don't understand it I'm gonna have to respect that, that it what they like.
    Just one more thing tho, the part the truely pisses me off is in the end when the fox is caught almost everyone looks away. That isn't fair u had the balls to chase the shit but arn't willing to watch it die. I just think that the people that love it so much should have to realise excatly what they are doing.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by the_Paranoid_bunny:

    i don't mind and quite frankly don't care what you all believe in, but if you think your opinion is so damn important that it gives you the right to stop someone else doing what they believe in, you can go fuck yourself.


    Do believe that this is true of badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting, bull baiting, bull fighting and bear baiting. I see no real difference. It's the torture and agonising death of an animal to give some twisted people enertainment.

    I agree that hunting gives people a thrill. Something to do with the hunting instict left in us from when we were tramping round with spears and loin cloths.
    But this ain't hunting it's stupid.

    If people want to hunt let them hunt something in a more humane way. There is no reason why the fox has to be killed in such a savage way. I've bee a couple of times and only ever seen one fox killed but trust me it's horrific. Let them go shooting or fishing.

    I admit that I enjoy hunting and shooting almost every weekend but what I shoot I eat i.e pheasants, ducks, pigeons and even paranoid rabbits <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;


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  • the_Paranoid_bunnythe_Paranoid_bunny Rampant Poster Posts: 487 Boards Initiate
    Originally posted by Skive'n'Dive:
    Do believe that this is true of badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting, bull baiting, bull fighting and bear baiting.
    yes.
    I see no real difference. It's the torture and agonising death of an animal to give some twisted people enertainment.

    that's your opinion. it's just as valid as anyone elses, but you really need to understand that it's no more valid than anyone elses.

    if you don't like badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting, bull baiting, bull fighting, bear baiting, fox hunting, masturbation or stripy ties then avoid them. but don't you dare assume that your opinion entitles you to stop others from acting on their beliefs and opinions.

    i wouldn't dream of trying to force anyone to stop hunting foxes, neither would i try to force anyone to hunt them. it's not our place to decide.

    i have opinions on fox hunting, as do a lot of the people here; but unlike most of the others here, i'm not going to condemn the people who think otherwise. the only thing that really bothers me is when people think that everyone must do as they say because they think they're God or something.

    tell me Skive'n'Dive, Man Of Kent, Fat_Mike, ~*LIBERTY*~, Girl-From-Mars... who the fuck do you think you are?

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