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We should listen to the pope
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In my opinion, one which I feel is shared by all those who love life, is that in view of the steps being taken to thrust the world into the next world war by the men who believe they all the answers, there seems only one man who seems to make sense.
I'm not religious, and never claimed to be, but the Pope (who I saw preach in Rome last year) seems the only person in power to have any sense of peace.
Religion, or no religion. Why can't we embrace the world and acccept each others beliefs instead of trying to destroy them.
God help us.
I'm not religious, and never claimed to be, but the Pope (who I saw preach in Rome last year) seems the only person in power to have any sense of peace.
Religion, or no religion. Why can't we embrace the world and acccept each others beliefs instead of trying to destroy them.
God help us.
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Nice fantasy but theres been no time in human history when we have managed this so I dont think we will start anytime soon.
Whats wrong with having a fantasy? If everyone had the same fantasy, and all it takes is mass education then maybe we would achieve what we need in this world. I gave up with most political ideas (eg communism/socialism etc) but perhaps we need a new religion/political idea. Its up to the intellectuals of this world to unite (how that would be achieved I do not know) but I resent apathy and lack of motivation and a sheer unwillingness to just reject ideas that could change this world. Would you be willing to take part in that education if you could do anything in this mess?
I am anything but apathetic but I am not arrogant enough to think that I can change the nature of the human race. We are different, we do discriminate, people do hate other people.
However 'enlightened' we claim to be here in the west there will always be people who think differently to us. There will always be people who choose to use violence to solve their problems. We are at a point in our development where we are able to talk about world peace but there are billions of people in the world who are in awful conditions who dont dream of world peace but merely putting food on the table. If the only way these people can feed themselves and their family is via violence and war(like we did in the past) then who are we to say its not allowed.
It would be great to live in a world with no war, no hunger, no disease. I would love to think it was possible but I dont, not in the next thousand years anyway. Sorry but im a realist and the nature of us humans is quite clear throughout history.
Balddog, don't you think that we need an ideal image or dream to work towards, a goal to acheive, a standard to set??
Even if the goal is unattainable, it's better to aim high then aim for mediocracy.
Well I would rather work toward something that actually helps people rather than working towards something that may never be achieved.
World peace will never happen in my lifetime, or the lifetime of my children but helping to get rid of hunger, homelessness, discrimination etc is perfectly possible in my lifetime.
You can stick to trying to wipe out war and ill stick to trying to help people who are in trouble now.
Balddog, fair enough, what are you doing to end world hunger??
I wasn't really refering to any particular problem like world peace/hunger/co-operation, just that whatever you aim for it's better to strive against the odds than be ground down by the inevitable millstone of reality.
Added to this, I wasn't really gonna post on this thread, it's just that the topic reminds me of that old refrain;-
"I like the Pope, the Pope tokes dope."
What im doing isnt important. I was speaking theoretically, I would rather be doing something that I know will help rather than working toward something that probably isnt even possible.
You might have a point there. I used to think that way. I wanted to end war and poverty myself but nowadays I stick to realistic goals. Of course I have the high ideals of what this world should be like and if the opportunity arises I would do my best to further those ideals.
I would rather help out in the local homeless centre or offer my services to an nursing home than go to an anti-war protest in London.
Just my opinion. Some people will see ending war as more important than other issues and thats their choice. I like seeing results.
And I'm sorry balddog, but I do see world peace happening for my children... There are plenty of organisations working on this problem now... non-governmental organisations that can affect the way things move. Ok they are small now, but are growing daily.
If they continue growing and spreading, then eventually some(most??) governments will include people from these movements, and then the decisions will be based on world peace / harmony and all that jazz...
It's not impossible. I think, in fact it is inevitable! But then... I am a believer <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
Sorry I didnt really make myself clear earlier. I wasnt saying id like to solve world hunger and world poverty but those problems on a local level.
Nothing on a world scale will be solved for hundreds of years unless something very drastic happens. The world today is more divided than it has ever been in the history of the world.
Magicman, its good that you can think that way. I disagree, people have been fighting for as long as weve been on this earth. How do you intend on wiping away tens of thousands of years of division and hate?
If we never dream, we can never believe.
As I say, I believe in peace, some kind of utopian fantasy. If that is my crime then I am as guilty as all the others that did/do to.
Baldog, quite right, how do we wipe away the ten thousands of years of division and hate? I don't claim to have an answer.
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We need a frigging crusade!
Note the use of the word 'might' in the first paragraph:
'Because of the new awareness the western civilization has come upon,
and because of the accelerated rate of the shifting of the earth's
crust, and because of the conjunction of the planets, the war *might*
be avoided. Depending on the speed at which the natural events occur.
For as in any civilization, when natural disasters occur this is more
prominent than military conquest.
I p252 (cII-40)
During the time of troubles and WWWIII there will be massive naval,
air, and land battles. The ultra-secret weapons that are brought
forth will shock and stun the world.
I p 272 (cVIII-17)
The Antichrist will not hesitate to use bacteriological warfare as
well as conventional warfare, causing hunger, fire and plagues. The
causative organisms will be more virulent than ever and hence
increasingly lethal.
I p 253 (cII-18)
When the Antichrist is taking over Europe, nuclear weapons will wreak
havoc like lighting strikes, and from them a "milky rain" will occur.
Weapons currently beyond our imagination will wreak unparalleled
devastation. Corpses will litter the landscape. The very earth will
"cry out in pain". The Antichrist will be so terrible, horrible, and
powerful that the rightful rulers of countries will be utterly
terrified and will not do anything to stop his ravages. Entire
dynasties will be wiped out.
I p 254 (cIII-19)
Before the Antichrist takes over a place, he will rain down death and
destruction so that he can seize without opposition. He will travel
far from his resting place in doing this. Some of this devastation
will make past heinous events of the prior world wars "look like
child's play". Unlike Hitler's "rain of blood" he will use a "rain of
blood and milk."
Pretty scary stuff, but I am convinced that we can avoid this. Peace activists all over the world are calling for a worldwide conference. This is what we have to believe in and TRY to keep the faith of peace.
just because something is different, that doesnt mean its wrong
please dont take this as being something antagonistic or right wing or anything, im as peaceful and socially concerned as the next pacifist, but i think we need to keep an open mind
(the last message didnt make a whole bunch of sense)
Sorry!
How could nostradamus know about 'nuclear weapons', 'bacteriological warfare', and that we called the first two wars WWI and WWII??
oh yeah... and he is now predicting that a bloke would be called Hitler??? His predictions are dated from the 1200's. Most of these weapons of mass destruction could not even be contemplated... In previous predictions, he has said things like 'fire will come from the sky' and things to that affect.
I think your transciption has been slightly <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"> doctored to induce fear...
Cheers...
Magicman
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BaldDog- one word. Dialogue.
I know that many people see that as a trite answer, but it works. If people can resolve their differences, they can only do it by talking to each other about them. Working out a solution that works. Acknowledging that they have a difference and work around it. Blowing people up isn't going to solve anything - it just perpetuates the cycle.
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You hit the nail on the head. Nobody in this world is going to agree and those who arent happy are going to resort to violence.
Magicman,
But dont you see that people have be trying to go after peace for tens of thousands of years. It would truly be a great day if you could get world leaders to agree on anything. Peoples needs are very different, as Skapunkskanker said, one mans peace is another mans oppression.
Theres a reason we have not known a period of peace on this earth ever since the first human walked out of his cave and thats the simple fact that we are a warlike race. We kill each other and thats not going to stop for at least several dozen generations.
Dont get me wrong here, I would love to see world peace and and end to violence but I just cant see it happening for ages. Theres just too much hate in this world. Thousands of years of hatred isnt talked away very easily, just look at NI.
Just as a side point - Daisaku Ikeda (a proponent of world peace) once said 'Education is the slowest means of change, but it is the only means'.
Basically saying that education of the 'masses' will move towards peace. This isn't necessarily learning the 3 R's it's education on a more profound level - education about who races are, their differences, their religions etc. Celebrating their differences, not punishing them for it.
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it isnt like some form of enlightenment, where finally you reach your goal and everythings great for the rest of forever
perhpas one day there may be a global lull in the fighting and the disagreements but it will not last for more than that one day
people will argue, people will be amibtious and competitive, arrogant and selfish. its part of human nature.
this world is constantly changing: borders, governments, friendships and enemies
it will be impossible for everything to suddenly stop and become beautiful, as appealing a thought as that is
but whilst this world is full of people with complex and ever changing minds and opinions, people who strive to get what they want and to better their quality of life, there will be conflict
dont call me a pessimist; im not. im just realistic
I just thought it was interesting.
Nevertheless, I think we have diverted on a completely tangent from what originally said.
What, I ask now, are the options for peace? Although many don't feel that we will ever achieve anything remotely close to that given the massive territorial distinctions, what chance has this world got? I think people have to change their whole perspective of themselves and begin to question why we believe in anything (whether it be a god, or a slice of propaganda.
I think there is a way out of this, and if it means a war on the scale that we are thinking about now, then maybe we will (as a world) begin to learn about what peace really means. But, I'm cynical, to say the least.
The British forces have been in action every single year since 1945 (except for 2 years, I think 1961 & 62, or thereabouts).
The only dialogue that works is when one side has more power than the other.
Peace is just a dream, would be nice but never going to happen.
In war, we can only envisage peace, and this perpetual war is one which must be solved by those in power. They are the ones who provide security and guarantee peace.
A poem for you...
This earth
I’m just a blip upon this thing,
That hurtles through the silent sky,
This vast void.
And I lie down,
flat against his gentle back,
With only gravity to keep me to the floor.
And I feel so helpless.
That we should be made to endure this
Momentous task of living,
Unsure of what we might crash into;
Or vanish into.
I put my ear to the ground.
Inaudible, as she spins hurriedly on,
Hope can be heard in the silence.
Slight disagreement here <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
There has not been peace in the world because we haven't worked towards it.
And sorry... dialogue works. Not only when one side has more power - that isn't dialogue, thats threatening. Dialogue is when both sides start off as equal. Speak about each others points of view, and then find a solution to the problem. OK, it's not fast... but it can and will work.
And it is going to happen. It's not a pipe dream. People aren't looking for peace which is why there isn't any. Get enough people working towards peace and voila it works!
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Thats not true. Millions believe in peace and we must all think that it CAN be acheived. Pipe dream or not, we all want to live in a world where we can be truly at peace and we have to keep believing. Maybe I am just a idealist, but the diologue of the leaders must always include the words that symbolise peace...Bush is going someway towards that by making symbolic gestures to improve relations with his counterparts.
Come on all you non-believers! Peace is attainable, but we have to keep up with the philosophy that dictates a different view of our world.
Peace.
Just a method of communication. Talk to your friends and neighbours about peace. if everybody did that, and those friends and neighbours talked about and worked towards peace, then soon a majority of people, including governments, would be thinking along peaceful routes... Then they will have the power to stop the use of the weapons.
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Peacechild, don't you think that is just the sort of attitude that we need to dicourage? Of course we don't have weapons, of course we don't have power...because it is those two very things that are the characteristics of war.
We need to begin here, right on our doorstep. Remember the saying 'Charity begins at home'? Well, we can start (and by we I mean everyone) by remembering that this mess that we have got ourselves into is one that is a result of the evil of power itself. By disassociating yourself from any form of power and being true to your own philosophy you can bring peace into your own life and those immediately close to you.
Peace is possible. Always.