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EVIL PEOPLE
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So, who or what is the most evil person, country or movement that ever has existed?
In my opinion the candidates are:
ADOLF HITLER-evil bastard
THE CLU KLUX CLAN-evil fuckers who know nothing
MYRA HINDLY(however it's spealt)-nasty child killer
Anybody got any other ideas?
ARE YOU FEELING LIKE YOUR LIFE HAS BEEN PLANNED OUT FOR YOU?
ARE YOU FEELING LIKE A SOCIAL TOOL WITHOUT A USE?
SCREAM AT ME UNTIL MY EARS BLEED, I'M TAKING HEED JUST FOR YOU.
In my opinion the candidates are:
ADOLF HITLER-evil bastard
THE CLU KLUX CLAN-evil fuckers who know nothing
MYRA HINDLY(however it's spealt)-nasty child killer
Anybody got any other ideas?
ARE YOU FEELING LIKE YOUR LIFE HAS BEEN PLANNED OUT FOR YOU?
ARE YOU FEELING LIKE A SOCIAL TOOL WITHOUT A USE?
SCREAM AT ME UNTIL MY EARS BLEED, I'M TAKING HEED JUST FOR YOU.
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J9
ARE YOU FEELING LIKE YOUR LIFE HAS BEEN PLANNED OUT FOR YOU?
ARE YOU FEELING LIKE A SOCIAL TOOL WITHOUT A USE?
SCREAM AT ME UNTIL MY EARS BLEED, I'M TAKING HEED JUST FOR YOU.
& Fred West
what constitutes evil? Saddam hussein is doing what he think his god wants him to do, so that makes all the terrorist in northern ireland evil doesnt it? how about the no 1 biggie in evil? the catholic church? they have over the last 2 thousand years killed and totured more peolpe than Hitler, Stalin,Pol pot and Saddam put together!! not to mention that they implicitly agreed with what hitler was doing. They never once spoke out against the Nazis for fear that the Vatican would be destroyed. Evil? all the people you mention pale in comparison to that bunch of hypocrites. How can they say they love Christ when the hide away convicted paedophiles in seclusion for a few years, the let them out to prey on children again? they have destroyed more religions and sub-sects than they care to remember, and only recently decided to apologise for the crusades that happen hundreds od years ago!! then what aobut their stance on contraception? the whole idea of organized religion makes me ill. We should all be able to worship a higher power in our own way without being persecuted.
Aleister Crowley, evil? he was a leader of a cult that looked towards free will and free thinking before it was fasionable. he never once did anything that could be deemed evil if you read his biography. 'Do what thou wilt' was his motto. He was against paedophillia, and intolerance towards gays, as a few of his inner circle were homsexual themsleves. It is rumoured that he knew Oscar wilde (an old Wilde) and held him in great respect.
The most evil people are bigots and hypocries.
and the catholic church.
I was just going on my ex's opinion. A very imature thing to do. I will now run a search on the net & find out a bit more. Strike him from my entry.
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J9
[This message has been edited by j9j9 (edited 31-08-2000).]
Political ideologies, as pseudo-religions, also score heavily. Fascism (including Nazism), Marxism-Leninism ...
As for individual leaders, I'm led to belive Stalin heads the body count league. In terms of proportion of human popoulation at the time killed, and sheer nastiness, Genghis Khan probably wins.
But I have to agree with LaMer about Catholicism. We have loads of evidence that this is a truly evil organisation where church men were allowed to rape women, abuse children, rule society for their own wicked purposes and then charge them all for it so that they could live the life of riley while everyone else wondered where their next meal would be coming from, all in the name of so called 'god'.
Religion sucks, its just one giant cult used to control people.
It is for weak individuals that need a crutch to survive, just like neo-nazis. They don't fit in anywhere so they use an extreme organisation as a crutch. They would be nothing without it.
"Religion is the sign of the oppressed creature, the feeling of a heartless world and the spirit of conditions which are unspiritual. It is the opiate of the people." - Karl Marx
Let's face it, life can be cruel, so, in the words of John Lennon, "whatever gets you through the night" goes. Men have always sought power over others, so naturally the less scrupulous will hijack religion for their own ends. Sad, but sadly inevitable.
I am surprised no-one has jumped to the defence of the catholic church though. Is this because generally the people who use this forum are free thinking individuals, who have a mind of their own, and are not told what to do, and obviously are not catholic.
Perhaps it is a sin to use thesite.
By the way I always thought Aleister Crowley was OK, I used to use his design of tarot cards.
I don't think it's really possible or feasible to say who or what is more or most evil. If someone were to murder someone you love for no discernible reason then you would rightly consider them to be evil. But is it evil for you to buy products from a company which invests in other companies which sell weapons to a regime which uses those weapons to oppress people many thousands of miles away? Saddam Hussain was trained by the British Army and supplied with weapons, training and intelligence by Britain and America (as well as a few others) throughout the 1970s and 1980s. We knew about his use of chemical weapons to annihilate the population of Halabja but we continued to arm him until the Gulf War erupted. Thousands of people die around the world because bombs, mines and other residue from earlier was still litter ex-battlefields. Is that evil?
It is easy to pick out individuals like Fred West and Myra Hindley but the real evil people seem to get away with it. Nixon and Henry Kissinger are prime examples. Kissinger effectively gave the green light to the illegal bombing of Cambodia which led directly to the reign of Pol Pot who perpetrated the worst (per capita) genocide in history. Kissinger also gave the go ahead for Indonesia to invade East Timor, solely to allow the exploitation of East Timor's oil reserves. (Have a read of John Pilgers stuff for more info)
Henry Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Prize.
That's like letting Myra Hindley and Ian Brady open a creche!!!
Remember, all that is required for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing. (Don't know who said that but he was bang on the money!
Britain and its concentration camps in South Africa in ninteenth century, millions of Boers died. Religion as a whole is probably the cause of more wars and unnatural deaths as a whole then anything else in the history of the world.
They didn't mean it, but the scientists who accidentally created AIDS in the first place come pretty high on my list of "people who caused big fuck-ups" (a copy of this list is availiable upon reciept of £4.95 p&p).
Karl Marx's ideas of communism have caused quite a bit of human misery as well. Anyone else major you can think of?
maybe i was wrong in saying the religion was the worst.
We did say that members of the Catholic church were abused and exploited. They weren't evil, they were just weak individuals that needed a religious crutch to lean upon and the church exploited them.
Is his 'god' going to let him into heaven now?
i cannot believe it still hasn't been overthrown because it is a very dangerous book.
me thinx if u r going to adopt the bible as a way of life u should do it fully and I don't think anybody does. it would be impossible anyway because there are just too many contradictions in it.
I agree with Gwai Mui - the catholic chruch as it stands is not what christ wanted. it is well documented in apocryphal text that the first Bishop of Jerusalem was Jesus's brother, James, and that his branch of the church was suffocated by the sect led by Saint Pter, a non jew who used the word of christ for his own gain. If you look at the biblical text one of the only people to be given a full name is Mary Magdalene - which has led to views that she was infact the wife of christ. This has been kept quite quit by the catholic church as it does nbot sit well with thier views on women - it gives women equal rights in the eyes of Christ. This is backed up by the Dead sea scrolls - which have now been locked away in the vaults of the Vatican. This is nopt some hair brained conspiracy theory - I can back everything up with proper hard thoelogical references for any cathloics out there who cannot believe tha tthier chruch is wrong.
My dad is a Christian Fundementalist (although he just calls himself a born again Christian.) He is also a biblical literalist, even to the extent that he believes that the world was created in 6 sets of 24 hours!!!!!
He is also a creationist and...get this... he recons that he has proof that evolution is a load of satanic propaganda!!!!! Aparently the fossils were put on this earth, by the devil, to confuse us all!!!!!!!
One day, in a telephone conversation, I said "good luck" and ended up getting a sermon about how the word luck is derived from the word lucifer and therefore luck is from the devil. I have to be so careful when I talk to him.
Imagine how he would react if I told him that I had trained to be a hypnotist!!!!!
J9
J9, have you read any of Maya Angelou's novels. In 'I know why the caged bird sings' she talks about how her grandma disciplined her for saying 'By the way....'
She later explained to Maya that she disciplined her because 'Jesus is the only way'!
Craziness man!
The thing that pisses me off about religion is that everyone thinks that their's is right and all the others are wrong.
But aren't people's religions normally determined by geographics? So if for example, accepting jesus as your saviour is the only way to eternal life, then Pakistanis don't really have much chance when they are forced to be muslims!
If people need to believe in god or whatever then that is up to them but they should stop fighting over which one is right. Why can't they all be right? People praising one god in different ways? Why can't there be more than one god and they are some kind of happy family of gods?
I think religion is just another tool used to spark up racist hatred around the world.
I am open minded and spiritual, and I don't believe there is some right or wrong religion. I live life as I see fit and if there is a god he will realise this. He will not punish me for refusing to join in with the racist hatred.
God should be whatever people expect him to be, not what everyone else says they should believe.
What ever you do, dnot read anything by Von Danniken, hes a racist nutter with some really weird views.
I guess the whole religion thing is a pet hobby of mine. I think of myself as an agnostic christian - I have my own fatiht htat comes from inside, not from what people tell me to believe, and thias has led to me researching a lot of stuff to try and figure out what i believe.
J9 - i take it you no longer talk to your dad? He sounds like he would be at home in the southern states of the US - in a few, its illegal for schools to teach the theory of evolution!!. Terry Pratchett takes the piss somewhat in his novels - he has fossils holding 'end nuclear testing now!' placards as a joke from god!!
I do still speak to my dad, we have a kind of unspoken understanding. I think that he has, at last come to realise that I am not going to become a missionary, or smuggle Bibles into Russia, and I try to keep all phone conversations on a purely superficial level.
The last time we talked about evolution was shortly after he took his kids out of school to "home tutor" them! I asked him how he would cover evolution, he said that they wouldn't be & I said "but what about the National Curriculum?"
He replied with "we don't teach the National Curriculum" that was when I found out about his views on fossils.
They actually teach their kids, in all seriousness, that evolution is propaganda. Hannah & Jonathan are going to be so screwed up when they enter the big bad world.
I really will have to get around to reading some Terry Pratchet, recently we had 6 copies of the new book (due out in November). They were signed Author's proofs, but they were worth too much to read. I have a copy of the Fifth Elephant on audio tape though, so I'll have to listen to that.
My first thought was to ask you which States had the evlution education law, but, thinking about it, if I mention it to him it will just start him off!
He was in the Daily Mail once (page 5 or 7) under the headline "HAPPY CLAPPERS BANNED FROM SCREACHING THE GOSPEL". It was in Bristol, anyone from Bristol here?
J9
sorry to shout but my favourite author of all time is Terry. Ive met him 3 times, and after the first he knew who i was, and called me by my name!!! How much would you want for the proof? 50 quid, a hundred?
name your price!!!
If you ever find out he is coming to Reading to sign books or something give me a shout.
I saw Alan Titchmarsh in Sainsbury's and got him to sign one of his novels for my mum's birthday if that's any conselation!!!! LOL.
Thought not! LOL.
Anyway, back to ross, do u really think that the Catholics will take over? U r 2 paranoid.
If us English r still so evil as we used to be then how come we live alongside hindus, muslims, mormons, jehova's witnesses, catholics, jews, envangelical christians, buddhists and athesiests but we don't run around totin guns in eachothers faces because we want to force them to conform to our way of life?
I think this totally speaks for itself. My great grandparents were Irish Catholics and when they came to england they didn't try to force catholicism upon anyone. In fact, their own kids weren't interested in it, thus my grandma didn't raise my mum and hers sibs as catholics (thank goodness!) even though she herself had been confirmed, etc.
If my daughter wants to turn to some religion as an adult then that his her choice. I certainly won't be shoving religious views down her throat. When she starts school it will more than likely be church of england because all the schools around here are.
OK, they will give her Jesus teachings but when she comes home she can read 'Good Omens' and then she can make her own mind up ! (Maybe Terry should be made part of the national curriculum!)
This way she will not get a shock when she enters the big wide world. She will be able to see things from an ecclectic view point.
But then again, your religion probably taught u that didn't it.
This is what I mean. All religion does is blind people with contradictions and hypocrisy. It closes people's minds.
To me that would be like being captivated.
I am a spiritual person and I practice my own forms of mental visualisation to combat bad memories and feelings of bitterness, etc.
This works for me and my mind is open. Nobody forced it on me and I don't force it upon anyone else.
(I found out after I started practising it that the Chinese actually say that it can prolong your life and enhance your memory). What do u think, derby. Being in the psychiatric profession?
I think that anything positive that one does to deal with the varying s**t life has thrown as us is to be applauded.
When I think about it, I have never nursed anyone who is Chinese and mentally ill. So I guess that say's a hell of a lot for either the caring family orientated culture or the underlying philosophy of dealing with grief, eitherway something is working.
regards derby
It could also be something to do with healthier diet which could affect the brain of the developing foetus.
Or natural child rearing practices. eg. Breastfeeding, sleep-sharing, etc could make a person grow up feeling more secure because of deep parental bonding.
Also, inbreeding is very frowned upon in Chinese culture and this is supposedly a cause of high rates of mental illness amongst middle eastern asians (such as Indians) who practice arranged marriages within the family. This is really unacceptable in Chinese culture.
Also, traditional Chinese food uses a lot of medicinal natural sources such as ginger, garlic, soya, ginseng, etc. which could maybe affect ones state of mental health and give one higher energy levels thus lessening the risks of feeling lethargic and becoming depressed, etc.
I think we should be in the health forum with this one! LOL.
[This message has been edited by GwaiMui (edited 23-09-2000).]