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Blair makes a come back.
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A poll in The Times of London shows Labor back in a commanding position with support of 41 percent, compared with 29 percent for the Conservatives. Just before the war, The Times had pegged Labor preference at 34 percent, equal to the Tories at that point.
In The Daily Telegraph, a poll four weeks ago found 52 percent were against Mr. Blair's handling of the war and 47 percent supported him. A new poll found 67 percent now supported his actions, compared with 32 percent opposed.
I'm not saying a word.
In The Daily Telegraph, a poll four weeks ago found 52 percent were against Mr. Blair's handling of the war and 47 percent supported him. A new poll found 67 percent now supported his actions, compared with 32 percent opposed.
I'm not saying a word.
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No because God is on OUR side.
Could I be more annoying?
You said that, not me?
Have you been drinking?
So who's next on the list PNJ?
Governments popularity ratings always go up after a war. There is still a lot of damage that you can't see from the opinion polls - Mr Blair has damaged his reputation within his own party, he has a lot more enemies within the Labour Party (btw it's got a 'u' in it thank you
Hey, the guy took a big chance and won...for now.
Yeah but he is damaged politically. I wouldn't expect the UK to join your country on any more little adventures any time soon.
If the Labor Party was liberal, I can understand people's sense of betrayal. (I spell Labor your way, but I'm confused enough about spelling.)
My dad, a Clinton/Gore guy, thinks Blair was smart for the UK regarding his "friendship" with Bush.
Is the EU worth Britian getting more involved with? Isn't the Pound stronger than the EU dollar? I'm asking. Not saying.
Sorry but the EU DOLLAR?! It is the EURO PNJ. Not everybody wants to ape America (although i did hear that dollars are now the unoficial currency of Iraq as Dinars become worthless)
Who else would you suggest the UK gets involved with? the North American free trade area?
That's being expanded to include other nations. I haven't really followed it much...doesn't interest me. But I read a headline that Bush was meeting with leaders of Central and South American countries to create the world's biggest free trade zone.
I'm not focused on whether the UK joins the Euro or not. Sure it's not called the Euro dollar?
I think your government would disagree, they're already chomping at the bit to attack Syria and London is distancing itself from Washington on that.
Labour isn't a liberal party - we're a Socialist party, not as in USSR but as in European style Socialism - well in theory we're just in a blip under Blair. I guess in American terms you'd see us as very "Liberal" as you don't have a left wing party.
Your dad usually talks a lot of sense but on that I disagree. Bush is a dangerous cowboy and needs to be stopped. How does he think it's been good for Blair to ignore his people and ally us with the most dangerous American President for years?
I'm not the most pro-EU person, we have got more in common with America, language, similar tastes, our people get on better but I don't like this administration. In the Clinton years I'dve said yeah ally with America but I don't like Bush. BTW the pound is also stronger than the American dollar and has been since the 1980s.
Weak pound = better thank you!
I just read imports from Europe are less than our exports to Europe...which they say isn't the way it's supposed to be.
Labour members have felt 'betrayed' since the birth of New Labour (a good majority of Labour party members are still socialist and don't approve of the New Labour ethos).
A strong pound leads to weaker exports.
Is that a valid question?
Back to the topic in hand, in most countries the natural reaction (albeit a completely illogical one) once your troops are on the field is to put aside disputes and "get behind the boys". Bush and in particular Blair had been counting on it. But the fact remains that by going to war this government has inflicted itself severe and permanent damage, with hundreds of thousands or even millions of voters who will not be voting for them at the next election. And with this electoral system of ours, a million votes can make all the difference between office and opposition.
I personally would rather vote for the Baby Eating Old Lady Mugging Party than for this lot again.
abstain in protest and strengthen the dreaded tories? vote for charles kenedy ...now that would be a laugh! please all the people all the time. vote for some tiny minority one issue party. i'm going to have to vote for the tonies simply becuase the amount of people who are not going to is rather worrying. our choices are shit. i'm going to have to choose the best turd out of the pan.
Yep and more and more of us are allowing our memberships to lapse until the Blair cuckoo in our nest is gone. My grandfather has been a Labour Party member for decades, he can't leave because he's been in it so long. I've let my membership lapse because what's the point in being in a party that doesn't represent your views? When we have a proper socialist Labour leader I'll go back. Sooner we have Gordon Brown as Prime Minister and get rid of these Blairite elements the better!
Yes its a valid question. Socialist economies tend to have better educated and healthier populations from the higher taxes they collect and so they would say business has higher costs but it also has a better quality workforce. Also socialist governments are more likely to give subsidies to domestic industries to increase employment. Also most socialists tend to use income tax as the main taxation lever on the population which doesn't affect most businesses and businesses could actually have lower costs under a Socialist government as a Socialist government is likely to cut VAT as it is a regressive tax and increase income tax which would bring a net benefit to businesses. Socialists also favour full employment as a main objective so would be more likely to cut National Insurance which businesses pay for each of their employees and is known as a "tax on jobs".
Exactly, I'm a natural Labour supporter but I don't want to vote for Blair. Who else do you vote for? I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than vote Tory. (Although some might say voting New Labour is the same as voting Tory). I'm not voting Liberal Democrat - can't stand Chatshow Charlie and his opportunistic policy making. If I were in Scotland or Wales I'd vote Nationalist because their policies are more in tune with my own but I'm in London. I think I'm stuck with voting Labour because there's no-one else. Still at least I know how I'm voting for the London elections next year - Livingstone for Mayor, Labour for the constituency vote in the GLA and the London Socialist Alliance for the proportional top-up vote. I live in a marginal seat so I can't not vote Labour and let the Tories in by the backdoor which is what happens under this system. Shame you can't have two votes in a general election - one for the party and a second one for which person from your party you want to be Prime Minister.
Not to put a dampner on things, but I don't think that Brown would be very different from Blair as a PM. I say that as Brown was one of the people who created 'New Labour' in the first place.
Even still, whether Brown believes in a 'Third Way' or the notion of rights and duties remains to be seen.
Article on the Baghdad bounce Blair is enjoying.