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EU's attack on the UK & US.
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In the meeting yesterday, the EU sought to position itself as the savior of the Iraqi people and position the war as just this destructive act.
I'm so glad Bush is playing their game. He came back with a call for the UN to end the sanctions against the Iraqi people. Damn straight.
I'm so glad Bush is playing their game. He came back with a call for the UN to end the sanctions against the Iraqi people. Damn straight.
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What are we meant to say?
Well, cp, if you believe they meant something different you could express that view.
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If who meant something different by what?
All we know (from your first post) is that some-one or some-thing representing the EU tried to position itself as the saviour of iraq.
You did not say what the meeting was, who said it or what they said. You only told us your opinion of it, meaning we are unable to discuss it.
The future of france Belguim, France and Germany is a suitable discussion, but has nothing to do with the original post.
Incedentally, even your comment...
Or we could discuss how the influence of Belguim, France and Germany will be less within the EU as it expands. That's just a few ideas for discussion.
...isn't really suitable as a discussion point as the question is far too leading.
Discussion questions should be neutral, according to the ettiquette of formal debate.
He's just regurgitating the mindless spin he loves to gorge himself on. His capacity to distinguish truth from presumption in these matters is nil.
Indeed cokephreak. Especially given that pnj has absolutely no academic nor professional credentials to make such bold assertions about the inner relations of the EU member governments and who's influence stands where.
Yeah, but neither do I. I still think I'm allowed an opinion, and try telling me I'm not (If you want a very longwinded and eventually pointless argement)
Saddam would agree.
Saddam would agree.
I think you'll find that the majority of people would agree.
If only we lived in a democracy then bush'n'blair wouldn't have been able to start the war.
Unfortunatly, as ever when a single entity gets too much power, a democracy is not in effect, so we all have to bow down to the bully.
You realize that compliance with the UN would not have removed Saddam from his position...so Iraqis would have kept on being tortured.
I suspect youll find it isnt "the war" nor Bush's unilateral dismissal of the UN decision processes that people were responding to.
The US figures wouldnt suprise me in the slightest but the UK figures sound like a load of bollocks.
Commentators have been revealing the growing distruct of US intentions by Shiite communities even as the old intra-tribal fault lines emerge amongst themselves.
A group of concerned Iraqis were show questioning US servicemen as to why it is that all ministries in Baghdad were blown to bits except the Oil Ministry which is now being occupied and used as an HQ for the US military. The hidden agendas are now becoming clear even to the Iraqis.
It appears they arent as blind and unquestioning as the US public is.
"Welcome to the occupation, for "democracy" please apply to Washington in triplicate. Please allow an indefinite period for reply..." :rolleyes:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/polls/story/0,11030,916494,00.html
Support for war the war did jump upto and around the figures spouted by pnj and I read The Gaurdian, The Independant, The Times, The Telegraph, The Sun/News of the world (On Sundays) and the Scarborough Evening news :P and most of these carried some some sort of article on it.
Clandestine is merely illustrating that polls are flawed as to who you ask. Ask Sun readers and theyll tell you the war is wonderful, ask guardian readers and its evil. Until you ask every single person then a poll is flawed- never forget the typical control group is around 1000 pollants.
So if such confirmation exists, I ask again for the proof. An online poll is not considered official in any way.
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My opinion has not changed however.
Yes, best we should just do away with elections once and for all. best wait until a neo-nazi party is elected first though. At least that way we can start working on a thousand year reich.
Perhaps GROFAZ will be resurrected.
Glad you said that Heydick...I mean Heydrich. I've never come across someone who's into totalitarism. Are you sure you're not posting from an old age home? You just don't sound like you're from any generation I've come across. Do you know that even in Vietnam...they call themselves socialists...not communists anymore. And in the big cities, people have opinions and know what's going on in the world?
And yet in your own inconsistent and politically ignorant fashion, you yourself have advocated just such a role for our own country in at least one of your posts today.
Go educate yourself boy before you make a further spectacle of yourself and embarrass our nation's already beleaguered image further.