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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Plans were announced yesterday to start building new nuclear generators to replace Britains old ones

Many environmental groups beleive we should abolish nuclear power and concentrate on renewabal energy sources

Others say that nuclear powewr is the best way forward from fossil fuels.

This is one of the most important issues facing the world and urgent action is required what do you think.....

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    None of the above.
    The quicker they develop fusion the better. But I think for now fission is the cheapest and most efficient option. In the grand scheme of things nuclear really isn't that polluting.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not sure how far fusion is reality and how far it is just an idea <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I think the main gripe is with the disposing of nuclear waste which is very costly and with the effects of leaked radiation

    People that live near nuclear generators are proven to be more likely to get cancer, luchaemia etc.

    There is also the risk of accident such as at Chernobyl or 3 mile island, despite excellent safety it is likely that such things could happen again and cause a disaster
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>I'm not sure how far fusion is reality and how far it is just an idea <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I think the main gripe is with the disposing of nuclear waste which is very costly and with the effects of leaked radiation

    People that live near nuclear generators are proven to be more likely to get cancer, luchaemia etc.

    There is also the risk of accident such as at Chernobyl or 3 mile island, despite excellent safety it is likely that such things could happen again and cause a disaster</STRONG>


    Fusion is increasingly becoming more likely. We can already harness its energy in an uncontrolled form (fusion bombs) the trick is trying to create a controlled reaction. Because of the forces and heat involved the reaction can only be sustained using magnetic shielding, which uses too much power to be realistic at the moment. The ultimate goal is cold fusion, however I'm not sure how that works.

    As for nuclear accidents, think how many reactors are dotted around the world. Its in the region of a couple of hundred at least. In the last 50 years there have been 2 accidents. They sound like good odds to me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think there have been more, there was one in Japan fairly recently and there was a leak at Sellafield, I'm sure there have been quite a few. Although the odds are low it still compares badly with most renewabal energy sources
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The US is giving a good look at fuel cells...large & small, small will run an automobile just fine and don't weigh as much as an iron engin.

    The only biproduct is H2o!

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hurrah, you will have to change your name to cell <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere:
    <STRONG>None of the above.
    The quicker they develop fusion the better. But I think for now fission is the cheapest and most efficient option. In the grand scheme of things nuclear really isn't that polluting.</STRONG>
    Fusion's not ready for use yet simply because it is hideously expensive to set up and has not been proven to be cost-effective yet...

    I'd rather see more renewable sources: wind power, HEP, tidal etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish:
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    I'd rather see more renewable sources: wind power, HEP, tidal etc.</STRONG>

    There are a number of problems with these renewable systems. First of all, they are expensive to set up, although not too expensive to run once they have been set up. However, they require specialist locations - wind turbines need sufficiently windy areas, HEP requires large fast flowing rivers, tidal requires suitable coastline, solar can't be installed somewhere cloudy (the UK, for example <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">).

    Secondly, they purport to be environmentally friendly because they don't produce gas emissions or nuclear waste. However, building them invariably requires the destruction of beautiful landscape, which is in itself a form of pollution. So although they're "non-polluting", they do damage landscape and can upset habitats (eg reservoirs for HEP dams).

    So not only do we have many places in which to build them, alot of the places they can be built are spoilt by them.

    I personally go with nuclear fission, but also think much more money should be allocated to research fusion. I read an article a while back about a group of scientists in America who were making good progress with cold fusion, but then had their government funding withdrawn in cost cutting measures.

    In the developing world, biogas is showing itself to be viable, environmentally positive and cheap to run. There is, however, the high set up cost and the inability to produce massive amounts of power in one plant.

    I think nuclear's definitely the way ahead.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know all that Vox Pops, but if you consider the vastness of the Sahara desert, or the deserts of Nevada then you will realise that wind/solar power doesn't necessarily involve chopping down trees, or destroying natural habitats.

    Nuclear fission is very efficient, but is potentially disastrous. Nuclear energy is scary stuff - but I agree it is a good source of energy and is better than fossil fuel energy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just because the Sahara desert appears barren, doesn't mean its not beautiful. Also, its difficult to "transport" power over very large distances, so having masses of power generated in the Sahara would not be particularly useful as it would be almost impossible to get it to somewhere where large amounts of electricity are required.

    Nuclear fuel can be scary stuff, but more people were killed in car accidents last year than have been killed by nuclear power plants in the last 10 years. I'm not scared to get into a car though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Vox populi, vox Dei:
    <STRONG>Just because the Sahara desert appears barren, doesn't mean its not beautiful. Also, its difficult to "transport" power over very large distances, so having masses of power generated in the Sahara would not be particularly useful as it would be almost impossible to get it to somewhere where large amounts of electricity are required.
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    Fair point, but I'm not suggesting we cover the whole Sahara with solar panels - we wouldn't need to.
    About the transport - remember much of Africa has no electricity - they're going to want some at some point in the future.
    <STRONG>Nuclear fuel can be scary stuff, but more people were killed in car accidents last year than have been killed by nuclear power plants in the last 10 years. I'm not scared to get into a car though.</STRONG>
    True enough, hence my support for it - but we mustn't get complacent about its dangers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think we should do more to harness wind an water ... cleaner than other kinds.


    (NB this opinion is in no way an attempt to dismiss other opinions that may have been or will be posted onto this board - just an idea)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I remember a few months ago reading an article in the mail about government proposals for energy. One of them which looked quite impressive was to line the East coast with huge tidal generators, each one as big as the cliff face, and each one capable of powering a large town. Don't know what came of it though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think the "noise pollution" and "ruining areas of natural beauty" arguments are crap, I'm talking about real pollution that damages your health or kills you

    We need more renewable energy quickly and it really shouldn't matter about the damn cost, our planet is being fucked and were dithering about how we might have to pay a bit more tax <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg:
    <STRONG>I think the "noise pollution" and "ruining areas of natural beauty" arguments are crap, I'm talking about real pollution that damages your health or kills you

    We need more renewable energy quickly and it really shouldn't matter about the damn cost, our planet is being fucked and were dithering about how we might have to pay a bit more tax <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>
    I agree in principle Toad, but get real. If electricity suddenly doubles in price then people are not going to be happy. At the end of the day, consumers are only interested in how much things cost - sad but true.

    (Renewable energy sources aren't necessarily more expensive anyway).

    And btw, I put real value on areas of natural beauty, and would not support covering entire landscapes with solar panels - I suggested lifeless deserts.

    [ 28-02-2002: Message edited by: Kentish ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Deserts are as an important habitat as anywhere, arguably more so because of there wilderness status, wind farms for example are normally built on farmland which are in no way natural

    I know people can't see the long run which is only natural. But it is the job of the govt to enforce changes, the private sector won't work in this situation. It is a fact that without massive leaps in technology or very drastic enforcements of current technology NOW then we will have to accept a decrease in our living standards over the course of the next century.
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