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The UN Convention on the Rights of a Child....

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Out of curiosity, how many people have heard of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Child meaning any under 18 in this case) and how many people know about what its all about?
Please do post replies whether or not you know about it.

Ta.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've heard about it, i think it's basically a version of the human rights act. Children are entitled to food, shelter, water and education, in preference to adults. Something like that anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ive also heard of it but know little about it other than the obvious.

    Care to fill us in obscurity?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I won't post anything on what the UNCRC contains in the thread yet, am currious to see what people already know. But you can find out more from the article at http://www.youthbeat.net/voice/viewdoc.asp?id=60 and the sites linked from there.

    Obs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    oooooh, a teaser. Tell you the truth though, I really can't be arsed to click on the link.
    sorry.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child
    The United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child(UNCRC) was drawn up in 1989 and sets of the special rights under 18’s have. All countries in the world apart from the USA and Somalia have agreed to put in place the 54 ‘articles’ or points within it.

    In the United Kingdom, this means that the Government must look at the Convention every time it makes new laws and check that these laws do not go against any of the rights of Young People (the UNCRC uses the word Children for all under 18’s, but we use Young People here instead). The Convention also gives the government certain responsibilities to carry out.

    The Convention contains the right for young people to be involved in decision-making when decisions are made that affect them, which is part of the reason we have a local Youth Council in Havant Borough.

    The Convention sets out that all young people have rights regardless of their race, sex, religion or ability. These rights range from the rights to life and an identity, to the right to be involved in decisions that affect you, both government decision and decisions in your family. The Convention includes points on the protection of young people from harm and your right to an education.
    You can read more about the Convention on the Save The Children website at http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/rightonline/whats.html or you can read a summary of the points contained in it at http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library/documents-w9/rotc-01.htm.

    The Convention itself is not law, but is used when laws are being made, and is used by groups to put pressure on the Government to make laws or take action to protect young peoples rights. A committee of adults from the United Nations also meet to look at how well each country is putting the Convention in place and they make recommendations for how that country can do better.

    More information on your rights can be found at http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/rightonline/
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lol, far to clever some people around here. *grin*
    Well, that should give you a rough idea of what the UNCRC says.

    Quick questions to people :
    • Were people aware that they had these specific rights?
    • Do people think that these rights are respected?
    • Do people support the idea of seperate rights for children and young people?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by obscurity:
    Thankyou for posting the link very informative.

    Quick questions to people :
    [*]Were people aware that they had these specific rights?

    Yes most of them

    [*]Do people think that these rights are respected?

    again yes most are taken for granted. However when a childs rights are "forgoten" for what ever reason I dont think the powers that be do anything in the way of after support. (I'm talking about physical and mental abuse).

    [*]Do people support the idea of seperate rights for children and young people?

    Absolutly
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The big hangup on this issue for the UN is female circumcision of young girls by the islamics.

    They don't want the subject broached!

    Diesel

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Diesel:
    <STRONG>The big hangup on this issue for the UN is female circumcision of young girls by the islamics.
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    I can see how this would be a tricky issue although I've not heard of it as a major one before (I've only really looked at UNCRC in UK context).

    It does pose the question of how much should the UN be pushing nations to implement the Convention as law, or how much it should stay as a set of 'guidelines'. Should 'cultural practises' be allowed to overide an agreed international convention?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    To just try and bring this back on topic, anyone else got any replies to the questions above, either about whether they know of the UNCRC, or whether they agree with / disagree with it.


    BTW Diesel, just as a point I meant to mention earlier - I don't mind the article from YouthBeat.net being copied as I wrote that one, but technically the copyright on stuff from YouthBeat.net is retained by Havant Borough Youth Council, so any use of that summary in future ought to be credited. Sorry, I have to say that cos of my job. Ta.

    [ 13-01-2002: Message edited by: obscurity ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's hard to pay much attention to 'copyrights' on the internet...over here we rarely bother trying...just not very important...if it's not contained in the copied thread then for me at least it doesn't exist.

    In all truth, the best answer to anything concerning the UN is: Disband the UN and forget it was ever there...it has already made itself an enemy to everyone! Consider, what would have been US opinion if OBL had struck the UN instead of the WTC?

    Diesel

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Diesel:
    <STRONG>It's hard to pay much attention to 'copyrights' on the internet...over here we rarely bother trying...just not very important...if it's not contained in the copied thread then for me at least it doesn't exist.

    In all truth, the best answer to anything concerning the UN is: Disband the UN and forget it was ever there...it has already made itself an enemy to everyone! Consider, what would have been US opinion if OBL had struck the UN instead of the WTC?

    Diesel

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    Well, US opinion wouldn't have been high. But global opinion would have been that of outrage. The UN is constantly striving to contain order. It is the closest thing we have to a world government outside NATO and the EU. If the UN was destroyed then a LOT of people would starve, a LOT of people would go thirsty, a LOT of people would recieve no education, and a LOT of people would still be dying around the world due to an inability to make decisions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've got to say the UN does seem to be doing a lot of good stuff. Although I by no means know about all (if much at all) of their work I've found that their work often does exhibit quite a good deal of vision and innovation. Alas vision is often watered down by what Governments are willing to implement, but never-the-less it needs to be there. For example, due to take place in the US in September (posponed due to the events of the 11th, but going to take place either this year or next afaik) was a UN Special Session on Children and Young People to which hundreds of young people delegates from many nations were invited to look at the future of what governments should be doing for Children and Young people both internally and internationally. For instance, their were planned sessions on child immigrants and refugees.
    The problem the UN faces so it seems, is that it is not a government, therefore isn't the one who can implement the creative sollutions that come out of such work, that has to be left to the governments of individual countries, and often these things don't come high up their agendas.

    . o 0 ( wonders how long it will be before diesel manages to take this thread off topic again )
    *grin*

    Obs

    [ 14-01-2002: Message edited by: obscurity ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The UN have lost all credibility in my eyes by picking and choosing which humanitarian causes they take up.

    As to the original point of this thread. I dont think that children should have any special rights above those of everyone else. If we are gonna have a standard then why not make it universal? Why shouldnt everyone have the rights put down in this kids charter?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Diesel:
    <STRONG>It's hard to pay much attention to 'copyrights' on the internet...over here we rarely bother trying...just not very important...</STRONG>

    Diesel - it's very important. Please try to respect the holders of the copyright on material that is posted on this BB. <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>The UN have lost all credibility in my eyes by picking and choosing which humanitarian causes they take up.</STRONG>

    Erm, I'm not quite sure what else they can do. They've obviously not got the resources to take up every humanitarian cause there is going, and so in the end economics and practicality means that 'picking and chosing' has to take place. This ain't a perfect world after all.
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    As to the original point of this thread. I dont think that children should have any special rights above those of everyone else. If we are gonna have a standard then why not make it universal? Why shouldnt everyone have the rights put down in this kids charter?
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    I think in the UK at least we get the Universal standard from the, perhaps arguablly ill implemented, European Convention on Human Rights in the form of the Human Rights Act. However, I think the need for a specific set of rights for Children and Young People stems from the fact they have very little voice or are allowed very little capacity within our society to act to make sure they get their rights, which is why the UNCRC is so neccessary. Giving young people the specific right to be listened to and involved when decisions are made that affect them.

    The UNCRC also sets out their rights to play, and a safe family. Essentially these are rights all people should have but they do apply specifically to children and young people. The main question I find in my mind about the UNCRC is whether more emphasis should be placed on Childrens Responsibilities as well as their rights.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The UN is uniformly dispised by most here in US...only the 'liberals' want them...make a big hit with US and offer to host them when they are ready to put up their new building (the old one is rotting from inside out). We, US, just want out and them out of US!

    As for copyrights...apparently I have missed some point you wish to make...short quotes from works, referenced or otherwise, doesn't merrit a copyright acknowledgement on the internet...if it is there it is given...otherwise...a quote is just a quote.

    As I stated, really not of much importance...suppose we could start a thread on the subject though...!

    CHILDREN HAVE RIGHTS...but some must be defined...does a six year old girl have a right not to be sexually mutilated by her mother & aunts without any anestisia? Is this brutal custom to be allowed in civilized countries under the 'multiculturalism' title? Or shall such parents be sentenced to long prison terms for doing violence against a child...? Ever wonder why islamic women aren't very interesting? About as exciting as a hole in a board...and I am not saying that to insult or be crude, just a fact.

    Diesel

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just on the offchance anyone is interested in this topic I've found an excelent resource for more info - www.crin.org has all the reports that Non-Government organisations have submitted in the reviewing of the Convention on the Rights of the Child which are interesting along with it having load of other info on Childrens Rights work.
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