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Shot for her mobile
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Some piece of shit shot a 19yr old girl for her mobile phone, I hope this lowlife fuck gets killed soon. I'm quite willing to execute the trash myself....it's disposing of rubbish really, nothing more.
who has guns here in england er let me think .......OH I know the criminals and the police.
who has guns here in england er let me think .......OH I know the criminals and the police.
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No way he will be even caught, let alone get his dues.
there were incidents where 8 year olds were held at knife point for their pokemon cards
Sad case really but it sort of reinforces an John Lott's theory that an 'armed society is a polite society' Not suggesting the girl would have neccessarily fared better with a gun or weapon of some kind but had she the right - she would have at least had a fighting chance.
Interesting also that a recent study by the Kings Centre for Defence studies (Im doubtlessly getting the institutes name wrong) that suggested since the restrictive gun laws were passed gun crimes went way up....Just an American looking in from the out, but damn.
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Again the study has shown that the amount of legally held guns does not have any thing to do with armed crime and armed crime has gone up even though are laws have got tougher not that the anti gun crowd will admit it.
peacethingy
It is social engineering, nothing less. Now, why sould anyone want the core of society to be week and inefectual in the face of violence...? Moreover, why are any of you allowing yourselves to be treated like idiot children who aren't entitled to be treated humanely and provent others from treating you in a manner which dehumanizes...all under the pretense of providing for 'your' safety.
Diesel
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The solution, find the guns.
Criminals will always have guns. You cannot change that fact..Do you realise how easy it is to get guns into this country? Any number of eastern block weapons could have been carried across by asylum seekers hidden in the back of lorries.
If you can come up with a way of removing every gun on the planet and every piece of knowledge about how to manufacture guns then you may have a point...You cant do that so its unfair to disarm the law abiding while letting criminals roam free and armed.
While you may not choose to protect yourself...in an armed society there are plenty who will step up and handle the matter for you...and won't you please have a nice day!
The notion of safety is a quaint one...however it comes at a price and then it is never there anyway.
I could go to London from here...and with my bad engrish find a firearm and ammunition within a half a day...and I haven't been to London since 1958...! So could anyone!
Diesel
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What "Prohibition" did was give organized crime a power base, a source of revenue. It did NOT stop the population from consuming massive quantities of alcohol. In "dry" counties, all it REALLY means is that if you are tall enough to put your money on the bar, ANYONE can buy the liquor...
Just because you pass a law which makes it illegal to be stupid, does not mean that you will end it.
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If it weren't for guns, Nicole Simpson would still be flashin' O.J.'s money around Rodeo Drive... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
Places within the US that have the strictest gun control have the highest murder rates, BECAUSE the sheep cannot protect themselves.
Gun control laws and confiscation have brought about a rampant increase in violent crime in Australia.
Simply because you make the choice to be a willing and ENABLING victim does NOT place you on a higher moral plane... RATHER, it demonstrates that you have placed a proper value to your worth to society... ZILCH!
[ 03-01-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
Ah, the old catchphrase, and one of my favourites. It's strictly true, but in a very nasty sense: the impolite ones get shot. So really, we should say, "An armed society is a polite society -- but somewhat smaller."
And there's also the question of whether the polite ones are necessarily the quickest on the draw. :P
[As an aside, I should note that I'm a UK citizen (subject, resident, whatever damn word you want to use, 'cause it makes no odds to me what I'm called) who is steadily drifting towards support for a 'right to carry' statute.)
Someone explain to me the difference between 'human' and 'civil' rights -- you know I get confused sometimes. :P
(Note: "criminal" attack i.e. that kind of attack of which the law disapproves.)
Whowere that would indeed be a nice solution if it was not so heavily entrenched in fantasy. You wont find the guns - in fact, the more you "find" the more will crop up and the more that crop up will only serve to make an illegal black market of firearms more profitable for the criminals who import/manufacture them.
The real "solution" as you put it is to realize everyones right to self defense and immediately enact right to carry laws - again this will not neccessarily guarantee anyones safety but it will at least give them a fighting chance against a criminal with a gun / knife / semi automatic pogo stick. <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Also on things you'll need to realize - you will never completely safeguard your country against gun violence - again research suggested that since the 97 ban, gun crimes actually went UP - am I not the only one that sees such prohibition is not only a failure but a sickening, irresponsible endangerment of your people?
On the same token, I do advocate sanity - I hope anyone who has a firearm also realizes the immense responsibility that comes to bear when carrying / handling a firearm. I advocate training both in the handling and in shoot dont shoot situations. Being a lowly civilian who couldnt get into the USMC because of poor hearing, I had to take responsibility to get training - and training I did get - over 8 years of it.
But I digress, I just want everyone to have the same access to defense as the criminals do offence - since your 97 bans, England sadly tips the scales in favor of the criminal element.
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Me? Personally? I would rather carry the sidearm OPENLY, ON MY HIP, rather than to be forced into keeping it concealed because "it might offend the sensitivities of the cowardly bleeting sheep"...
Carrying a firearm means that you CANNOT engage the boorish punk with impunity... if you pull the firearms W/O justification, you WILL go to prison, and for a LONG time, besides losing ALL RIGHTS as a citizen. Means you cannot even get into a shouting match with an boorish baffoon, because when the "coppers" come, you WILL lose the firearm, and you WILL be arrested!
Carrying a weapon, and USING a weapon are not the same thing, but criminals BY DEFINITION are cowards, and the POSSIBILITY that the one who carries the weapon might be able to defend themselves removes them from the category of PREY, and the miscreant generally looks for easier pickings.
Loud mouthed, gutless little punks would learn to STFU if they thought they might lose their life for their stupidity. CONSEQUENCES for actions... MY, what a concept! Reeks of ACCOUNTABILITY, the antithesis of the degenerate left.
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[ 03-01-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
In this country the police don't all need to carry guns let alone the entire populous anyhow!
Also it makes the job of the police very difficult, i mean all these vigilanties and people with good intentions muffing things up, massive shootouts <IMG alt="image" SRC="eek.gif" border="0"> more guns availiable to the crooks, massive lawsuits here there and everywhere, not to mention that over here a guy with a gun stands out as being up to no good and is readily identifiable, just imagine being a copper and seeing everybody waving guns at each other, wtf would you do?!!
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[ 03-01-2002: Message edited by: Kirk ]
A shooting, even if people don't die, is still front page news in england... it does not happen all that often. If ya look at america tho....
There have been several incidents involving shootings all over London last year (including several involving those So Solid Crew wankers and their gigs, including Neutrino's posession of a firearm conviction after he went to hospital with a hole in his leg). It's easy to buy a gun if you know the right [wrong] kind of people, it's not as trivial a problem as you seem to think.
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I know there are several incidents with guns (to be honest, someone I know was recently threatened with one) but all these stories still hit the headlines. Theres a lot less gun crime then in america, which is what I was trying to say.
Remember they are almost 5 times the size of us in population. How many more times the gun crime do they have? The gap is getting smaller.
You dont live in Bradford. It happens all the fucking time here.
A gun-toting society is a society I would, in an ideal world, not wish to live in, but sadly every day Im becoming of the opinion that people should be allowed to carry guns.
ALL weapons need to be destroyed for a peaceful world, but as that aint gonna happen we need the next best thing...a world where all people have equal protection. Criminals are 'allowed' guns, like the kiddy-fiddlers in So Solid Crew, but honest men like Tony Martin are prosecuted for defending themselves. sadly for us all, we all need protection from criminals, otherwise incidents like this one and the one in Halifax where a man was stabbed to death for protecting his car will continue to happen.
I never thought Id call for this, but its now time to stop fucking about. We deserve to protect ourselves like the criminals can. *shudders*