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Iraq and a hard place
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The Bremner, Bird and Fortune special can be downloaded and watched with RealPlayer here and it is highly recommended. The report itself should convince you, but so far, my gems are:
If you spent $26m per day since the birth of Christ, you would still have spent less than the US has on defence since 1945. The US, of course, spelling defence differently, and defining it pretty differently too.
Saddam Hussein and Al-Quaeda are like Ulrika Jonsson and Nancy Dell'Olio. They have nothing in common, hate the sight of each other, but just like f***ing the same bloke.
If you spent $26m per day since the birth of Christ, you would still have spent less than the US has on defence since 1945. The US, of course, spelling defence differently, and defining it pretty differently too.
Saddam Hussein and Al-Quaeda are like Ulrika Jonsson and Nancy Dell'Olio. They have nothing in common, hate the sight of each other, but just like f***ing the same bloke.
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What does the US want to see in Iraq? A democratic regime, from the people who brought you a new bi party system, where the man with the most votes loses. A legislature which refuses to acknowledge or sign many international laws, a justice system that brought you Guantanamo Bay and a financial and economic stability that brought you Enron.
LOL the U.S. wants a democratic regime! Is there a democratic regime in Panama, Kuwait, Bosnia, or Afghanistan these days?
Is there one in Germany, Japan, or the Philippines?
Germany is just rejoining us in the modern world. Having been erradicated as a sovereign nation and dismembered by the Morgenthau Plan for the second time in 30 years to satisfy Western businesses competing with German industry the good ol' Krauts are just beginning to stretch their legs. Japan has always imitated the United States, something which has been true since the 1850s when American Imperialism and guns opened up Japan to commerce. America also literally wrote Japan's Constitution, and the same is very much true for the Germans. Popular Sovereignty? LOL another one of those irrelevent concepts! The Weimer Republic was a democracy and Germany had flirted with a parliment prior to the Great War. The Phillippines is an unusual case, after annexing the Phillippines from Spain in the Spanish American War the United States went on to kill hundreds of thousands of Filipinos and occupy the nation for literally half a century, and unlike Poland, it was on the other side of the world, where no Americans lived! All the above nations play the proud little role of American satellites, quite humiliating I might add for two former great nations and world powers. Every one of these cases are different as well, with different circumstances in the context of different times.
Kyoto was weighted to benefit certain countries. It's base year was selected to coincide with the year Germany reunited...which gave them an edge, China was given an edge. International law has to benefit us - not hurt our economy. And our air is cleaner than Europe's...especially Paris for instance. I don't want to go into some of the sewage treatment issues in the UK because I'm not here to knock the UK...but the US is stricter.
We monitor ourselves. The Democrats are more into the environment than Bush. He's not big on it.
Then again given the world status of our educational system, perhaps im not so surprised.
Your grasp of world affairs is a little tenuous, isn't it? No American troops in the Philippines, Heydrich.
Actually you are wrong. America has troops in the Phillippines right now assisting the Phillippine government with its secessionist movement in the South.
Guess you should pay attention. American SOCOM assets left a few weeks ago.
Of course it will benfit some countries, the ones that cause less pollution!
The law will benefit you, but it may hurt your economy the two are not the same but in the LR the consequences of polluting at the current level will destroy your economy. The key to running a good economy is not to look at this years growth figures but to look at future projections and the likely effect of policy........
The US is by far the worlds largest polluter and you know that, so don't focus on sewage treatment and air quality (which surely can't be generalised across the whole US) and look at the aggregate figures, you make the most pollution. Deal with it.......
And you are telling me this is a well thought out treaty?
Surely the treaty would still lead to an improvement overall, so why not do it?
Just don't tell Dom
See, who wouldn't want that?