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Congress to punish France and Germany, reduce troops in S. Korea.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59326-2003Feb11.html
I try to keep in mind that most people on the site are from the UK so I usually post topics I know Europeans will care about. There's an arrogance in assuming people care about what America cares about.
But this article made me so happy. I just wanted to share it. In school,we've learned about how many Americans died in the wars. And I'm sure like some people who post on this site you can view some of the wars as big business making a grab for some resource. I'm also sure Americans want to see people live free societies...even with their special interests and inequalities. So I'm so glad people in the US have had it with allies who spit in our face. Sovereign nations have the right to do whatever they want. But when the US is paying for most of NATO's cost and a lot of the UNs, to have the Germans make money off of our troop deployments, and France make money by selling their goods in the US...well the world's largest and wealthiest open market is about to say: fuck you.
I've read the US is going to redeploy troops to Poland. And pull out of South Korea. Let the South Koreans live the way people do in the North with the massive prisons, experiements on prisoners and starvation to feed a Communist leader.
The ambassador to the US from France was on t.v., he said my God, from reading the papers I'd think the US was in a war with France.
We are.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12246180,00.html
I try to keep in mind that most people on the site are from the UK so I usually post topics I know Europeans will care about. There's an arrogance in assuming people care about what America cares about.
But this article made me so happy. I just wanted to share it. In school,we've learned about how many Americans died in the wars. And I'm sure like some people who post on this site you can view some of the wars as big business making a grab for some resource. I'm also sure Americans want to see people live free societies...even with their special interests and inequalities. So I'm so glad people in the US have had it with allies who spit in our face. Sovereign nations have the right to do whatever they want. But when the US is paying for most of NATO's cost and a lot of the UNs, to have the Germans make money off of our troop deployments, and France make money by selling their goods in the US...well the world's largest and wealthiest open market is about to say: fuck you.
I've read the US is going to redeploy troops to Poland. And pull out of South Korea. Let the South Koreans live the way people do in the North with the massive prisons, experiements on prisoners and starvation to feed a Communist leader.
The ambassador to the US from France was on t.v., he said my God, from reading the papers I'd think the US was in a war with France.
We are.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12246180,00.html
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How pathetic is this behaviour? If you dont agree to kiss US ass like everyone else we'll 'punish' you. And this is the 'democracy' that the USA want to spread world wide is it?
Beyond money, the actions of France and Germany can cost American lives. If Israel hadnt' bombed an Iraqi nuclear power plant built by the French in the early 80's, they'd have nuclear weapons by now. The former top scientist in the Iraqi nuclear weapons program lives near Washington D.C. now.
France (or Germany, or China, or Russia, or Belgium) are not being hostile against America. They’re not depriving the US of help in its most desperate hour, or attacking it, or insulting it. They are simply exercising their right of veto as members of the UN Security Council and/or NATO because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that there are no grounds for America to launch a war on aggression on a sovereign nation at present. What the fuck is the right of veto there for? Only for the US to use it whenever it wants to prevent its protégée Israel from facing its international obligations? I haven't seen any country boycotting America or making cheap xenophobic jibes and nasty insinuations about the US whenever they have vetoed a UN resolution or pulled out of international agreements; which, I must add, happens a tad too often for anyone's liking.
This is the worse example yet of a bully US government backed by some cretins trying to send the message to the world that it will do what it wants, when it wants it and anyone who dares so much as protest will pay dearly for it.
If some morons don't want to buy French wine anymore let them choke on their Julio Gallo. And let the Bush administration withdraw its troops from Germany as well. I'm sure the Germans will be devastated to seem them go :rolleyes:
edited to say this is with reference to pnj's 'comment'
And it doesn't take long for the anti-Semitic remarks to start flying does it?
I'm sure there will be plenty of very European anti-Semitic remarks at the peace rally. Jews make up less than 2% of the US population and some of them are against the war. Including: Edward Asner, actor, Edward Lieberman, Senator and candidate for US President.
This war is the first step to creating an independent, unarmed Palestine in 2005. There will never be a Palestine with Hamas running it.
A comment so stupid it doesn't merit an answer. :rolleyes:
I do not wish anyone to die. Least of all the US soldiers who are being sent to a country far away to fight a war which has absolutely nothing with defending one's country and everything with political games, economic gains and power.
If there is a war and body bags start arriving home you should be asking yourself whether those soldiers died defending their country or fighting for Bush's private ambitions and the interests of Exxon & co.
You may also want to do some extra thinking if those soldiers were killed with bullets, shells or- god forbid- chemical agents manufactured in the US and graciously supplied by past US administrations.
Oh so asking that Israel complies with the outstanding UN resolutions is anti-semite is it? Funny how you're all crying that Iraq has been in breach of resolutions for 12 years but choose to ignore certain other resolutions that were passed more than 30 years ago.
For your information, there are thousands of Jews in Britain alone who are asking that Israel complies with its outstanding UN resolutions. Some of them are Holocaust survivors. Are they anti-semite too? rolleyes:
I do wish the US didn't go through the UN in the first place. And there's a flaw in NATO itself to let 3 nations interfere with actions the majority wants.
What the hell are you blathering about?
Suggest you recheck the makeup of NATO.
And the US can simply exercise its rights in terms of economic, military and diplomatic actions as regards the exercising of those rights.
As to the Germans hating to see the American troops leave? They sure did in 1991-4, because of the amount of money the American military spends in the local economy.
Pnj considering your massive concern for the people who live in Iraq I am suprised you are so upset with Germany, Belgium and France moving to try and prevent the strengthening of the Turks who are not famous for their friendly attitude to the Kurds whose territory their armed forces will be invading when the war starts
And what use do you think Patriot Missiles will be against the Kurds?
Patriot missiles are useful against the Iraqis. Saddam Hussein has missiles and aircraft.
Hmmm...I'm supposed to believe he wouldn't attack Turkey...when he did attack Israel (a nation with a significantly more capable military).
You keep trying to pretend that Saddam thinks about the world just the way you do, and ignore his history.
nations have always looked after their own interests, none more so than america. in 1916 woodrow wilson was re-elected on the slogan "he kept us out of the war". they only joined in... with a year to go, because the germans kept sinking their ships.
in world war two, america looked away (despite diplomatic pleas for help) when france was occupied and the uk was on the verge of being invaded. during the suez crisis america actively opposed the french and british.they refused to help the uk outright in the falklands war. in 1983 america invaded the british dependancy of Grenada without even telling us!
lyndon johnson begged the uk to help out in viet-nam. the then prime minister, harold wilson, refused flatly. wilson backed the view of the british people who saw viet nam as an unwinable imperialist war. which is how france and germany now view iraq. they are going to be bullied and punished for standing by what their people believe to be true.
the american leadership is digging itself into a bigger and bigger hole everyday. proving to the world what bullies they are.
no one is now alowed to dissagree with america. that cannot be right or good for any of us.
I still think if someone's hurting you...especially if you see them as doing something that could cause Al Qaeda to hit us with something awful...then for us to keep giving them business...I don't see the point.
The boycotte probably won't happen. But I do think we'll be pulling troops out of Germany. It makes more sense to have them in a country like Poland that supports us. It would also be more sensible in anti-American Europe not to have troops at all. Europe would be happier and it would be better for us.
move your troops to poland... who were your enemy in the cold war.... george bush is going to cripple if not kill international respect for america and breed anti americanism. he realy is the enemy of america and the world. and stop fucking associating alqueda with saddam... you make yourself look very foolish. we know your young and inteligent. a lot better educated than the likes of me. so show your country that spending all that money educating you was actualy worth it by seeing. your looking but you aint seeing!
And you continually choose to forget that at the time of the last invasion when Saddam indeed launched attacks on Israel, he had considerably more substantial military capability than he does today. The invasion itself, followed by years of inspections and weapons destruction has left him a military threat to noone in the region, save perhaps himself.
Suggest you learn a bit more about the invasion of Grenada. Scoon requested the intervention. He was your Governor-General. If you didn't know, don't blame the Americans, blame him.
Lovely rhetoric. Untrue of course. Now you are pretending to have some expertise at evaluating militaries. :rolleyes:
It doesnt take a military expert to know that Saddam has considerably less military capability, its all been duly documented by both inspections regimes and countless analysts.
Just goes to show what a waste of breath it is to even respond to you Greenie.
He has more missiles than he had in 1991, with more range. He has a significant number of warheads that were built to be used with chemical munitions. He has more capable tanks. He has improved the training of the Republican Guard and increased the amount of artillery they have. Training has focused on mobile warfare instead of static warfare.
Your "internationally known facts" aren't facts at all. Of course, you have the expertise to evaluate military assessments, right?