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The recent posting of a member of this board regarding child abusers has shocked and sickened me so much that I felt I had to post a new topic on this issue.
In this posting: http://www.thesite.org/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000013.html a certain member reckons that child abusers are just 'kids in mens bodies' and it is not their fault they are this way.
I beg to differ on this issue and I strongly believe that all child abusers should be wiped out.
Who agrees?
In this posting: http://www.thesite.org/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000013.html a certain member reckons that child abusers are just 'kids in mens bodies' and it is not their fault they are this way.
I beg to differ on this issue and I strongly believe that all child abusers should be wiped out.
Who agrees?
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The only thing I can think of, Gwai, is that the poster is just trying to stir up a hornets nest, because he/she already knows the views of many of us on this subject, and also knows a little of your history.
The best thing we can do is ignore the comment, which is what I chose to do when I read it.
Rest assured, this is my last comment on this particular thread and the one in which the poster made the comment.
J9
Derby, anyone, views, c'mon, please
I know people my own age who have been sexually abused as kids, and they are really fucked up. I have two younger brothers, much as I hate them at times, if anyone did anything like that to them I would do my best to kill him.
Paedophila is a crime that leaves horific scars on the most innocent of victims. How can you say that there's nothing wrong with a 40 year old raping someone who's 10?
You really need to think, because what you've just said is REALLY stupid. I could never forgive anyone for that, ever. Maybe these guys need help, but that doesn't give them the right to even go near any kids.
Consider the 8 year old who was raped and murdered. If they ever find the perverted shit who did that, they should leave him in trafalgar square with a sign round his neck, and leave the rest to the crouds.
I cannot believe you just said that. Please say you didn't mean it. For those who are new, dirty_harry is a regular, and normal his comments are good, so whats going on?
I actually agree with your euthanasia posting, I just think you could have phrased it better. Love and peace to all!
It is a fact of life that Rampton and Broadmoor Special Hospitals have a number of patients who have abused children. They are there because they also have a severe mental health problem and/or severe learning disabilities.
GwaiMui feels that ALL child abusers should be wiped out. Dirty harry says they should be sent into some rehab or helped out with their problem.
Dirty Harry is partly right when he says that child abusers have mental problems.
SOME of them do have, regardless of the fact I find child abuse abhorant, I have had to nurse them.
Regardless of whether we as society feel them to be evil individuals, the law where MENTAL ILLNESS IS PRESENT states that offenders need care and treatment within a secure environment, that protects them and society.
[This message has been edited by derby county (edited 09-09-2000).]
I have tried my whole life to understand why my uncle did what he did to me and there are no answers. He is just a dirty, evil piece of shit.
So while all you stupid do-gooders are out there defending the sick bastards, more lives are being ruined.
You say we have to be humane but when put in a position of choosing who to be humane to, the kids or the perverts, the choice should be obvious.
Some of them are mentally ill and you say it is not their fault, but they know what they are doing is wrong otherwise they wouldn't go to such great extent to tell the kids they are abusing not to tell anyone. I will say it again, they are very clever and manipulative.
If we committ crimes and we know what we are doing is wrong we should accept the punishment whether we are mentally ill or not. The law is there to protect us from harm whether it is coming from a sane or mental perpetrator.
Something just has to be done to keep these dirty bastards out of our society. They shouldn't be allowed to ruin more lives. They go around causing more and more cases of mental illness. The chain has to be broken.
You want to take risks by trying different forms of therapy but in my opinion risks should never be taken where a child's safety is concerned.
The sooner we start placing more emphasis on looking after our kids the better and if this means eradicating perverts from our society then lets do it!
If they disgust you so much, why would you even feel sympathetic towards a child sex offender?
And the way you react to someone that says they think drugs are wrong (Dies slow mother fucker and go to hell) is a very mature response isn't it?
So if you can react like that to someone just because of a silly opinion about drugs, why can't the thought of child abuse stir up the same angry emotions?
I have no respect for you at all Harry and you are not misunderstood by us, you simply don't understand yourself. If you are so mixed up, how can you expect anyone to understand you?
My previous posting was just informative.
I fully understand your comments about devious and manipulative behaviour - this is typical of a personality disorder, which is commonly known as psychopathy.
They do not feel remorse or pity for what they have done, and within the field of mental health they are untreatable.
IMHO, the only thing that can be done to prevent paedophiles from re-offending is to chemically castrate them. A drug called benperidol is available that completely removes any sexual urge.
Of course this assumes paedophilia has just a sexual nature, when very often it is also involves power and control, as you point out.
Therefore help in the form of "Childline", other counselling services, and forums such as these are imperative, in order for people to ventilate their feelings. I feel more work should be done in schools, youth clubs etc, in order for children to speak out when abuse is happening, - ie teachers on courses to recognise any typical signs and symptoms, etc.
One unfortunate and sad fact that has so far not been mentioned on these boards, is that those people who have been victims of abuse, and unlike GwaiMui, have not had the courage to speak out - become abusers themselves.
So I believe that help, care and treatment should be provided to both victims and abusers, the only way to break the cycle.
I also speak as a parent as I would kill anyone that tried to harm my child. When you become an adult yourself you may understand where I am coming from.
I also take offence to the vulgarity in the sexual terms you use when discussing child abuse. Just try to be more careful with your words. You do not know what happened to me when I was abused so don't just assume. Reading your words deeply sickens me.
Thanx, derby county for your words of wisdom. You are a big asset to these boards, and thanx to evryone else who has been understanding.
Lets just hope that if anyone who has been abused visits these boards they will not be put off coming out of the closet by people like Dirty Harry, but will feel comfortable in talking freely with the rest of us here.
I do not let bitterness consume me but I see red when I think about someone hurting innocent children. It has nothing to do with being a victim. It is more to do with being a protective parent.
I don't hate you either but I don't respect you or your opinions and that is my choice.
Just don't assume that I am an angry and biased person because I definitely am not. If you ever met me you would relise that I am very open minded and have experienced life from many different angles.
I have a happy life as I have had bad experiences and come through them.
no1 has the right to torment another individual under any circumstances.
peadophiles deserve the same.
Therefore, you cannot say that my anger is biased.
There is a minority of do-gooders that think that dangerous abusers should be allowed to walk the streets but the majority of us disagree.
Derby County is right in that they should be confined and treated.
In my opinion, after they have been treated they shouldn't be given another chance. They should be kept away from society because even a 1% risk is a big risk in my eyes when it comes to the safety of a child.
Thanx Helly for your support. Yes, even angry comments regarding abusers makes me feel better because when you have been abused and had members of your own family try to sweep it under the carpet you feel better to know that others would be willing to stand up for you.
Although I try to be open-minded about everything and anything, there has to be a line. And sexual torture of defenceless children is most definitely crossing it.
Today everything is about the criminals, how long should they serve, who helps them change, are they really responsible for their actions, etc.
I don't want them to be punished. That has to come second place to KEEPING THEM OUT OF SOCIETY. There are so many cases in which a serial child rapist is sent back to live NEXT DOOR to his victim, who life he has probably ruined. Did you know there are over 80 organisations set-up to help paedophiles. And the victim only have ONE. Victim support.
Everone talks about castration and yes, it would be great, but surely a fatal injection would be more productive? Even if the guy no longer has these perverted urges towards little kids, that's only solving his problem, not their's. As he would no longer be a physical threat to the child, he be right back living next door. After all, he's not going to touch them is he?
But if you were attacked by an ferocious lion and then lowered back into the same cage a few weeks later being told that it had gone veggie, would you still be terrified? If you're answer is no then YOU should be seeking help. I don't care how it's done, but the only fair solution is for them just NOT to ever be near a child.
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I am in no way sticking of for or protecting paedophiles, nor am I trying to excuse their behaviour. I think that there are very few things more evil than child rapists. I am completely disgusted by such things.
I do however feel that dirty_harry has a point when he says that they should have access to psychological help. I also think that because you have been a victim of such a monster, this is a particulaly sensetive issue for you.
I'm not saying he's right, I'm just pointing it out. Give the guy a break. I'll say it again, I find paedophilia of any sort unforgivable and revolting. I know personally someone who has been the victim of this, and am horrified by the emotional damage it has caused to him.
With the current laws in place most paedophiles will eventually be released. I'm not saying I agree with this, but until all such twisted shits are off the streets, the next best option is to give them counselling.
I'm not saying protect them as opposed to children. Keep them off the streets, but at the same time try to make them normal, it doesn't hurt anyone and it could help to stop them re-offending.
I don't think that they should ever be released, but until they're all locked up for good, this is what should be done. Personally I don't think anything justifies killing someone, whatever crime they may have committed.
Please all of you, calm down. Dirty_harry, try to be a bit more sensetive, GwaiMui don't over react. I'm really sorry if I have said anything to offend anyone, I just think that we all need to cool it.
Love and peace to all.
[This message has been edited by dirty_harry (edited 09-09-2000).]
Have you forgoten my motive for starting this thread? I was shocked by the fact that you said that child abusers should receive lesser sentances and be able to walk the streets. This shocked me because in my opinion their sentances are already too short.
I was not in confusion when I agreed with Derby County that they should be confined. I have always said that they should be confined to prison. If they are going to be treated in prison, that's fine. But I believe they shouldn't be allowed back out to abuse again. Whether it is capital punishment or life confinement from society, so long as they have no access to kids ever again.
I am certainly not confused, Harry, and I have read all of your posts. I do not understand your beliefs but you have the right to hold them just like I have the right to hold mine.
I am not over reacting. This is a good mother's perfectly normal response to a discussion on child abuse and I am glad I am like this because it puts me in a better position to protect my child. I am not naive and I will never take risks.
If you would just admit that's what you said and that it was the wrong thing to say instead of trying to make me look like some bitter, twisted fucked up victim then we could have saved all of this trouble.
I responded negatively towards a twisted statement and you have bit by bit tried to deny what you said and tried to make me out to be irrational or something.
Well, I am not irrational. I have made a lot of my life considering the shit that I had to climb out of to get here. I did all those things that middle class kids take for granted (passing A-Levels, going to Uni, travelling) despite coming from a very working class background and I have looked after myself financially, physically, mentally and spiritually since I was made homeless at the age of 16.
I had nobody to love and nothing to be thankful for but I struggled on until I met the man of my dreams and had my daughter.
Now we have a happy family and great careers so imagine how hard it is for me to harbour anger when I have had nothing and now I have everything. I can give my daughter everything I was denied and much more and that's all I want. It is ok to let off a little steam now and again though, nobody's perfect and we all get under stress sometimes.
That is all I have to say now on this issue so fine, Harry. Let's just forget about it now. No harm has been done, these boards are meant for debates and sometimes they become a little heated.
Love and Peace, GwaiMui.
Path, do u want 2 tell Harry why u were kicked off or shall I?
And to the other idiot, I won't even go there because I've said everything I need to say.
Please, everyone, just ignore that stupid remark. The idiot who posted it will enjoy your response.
Hello? Moderators? Dom, Karla, are you asleep? Why are you letting the guy post this? GET RID OF THE TWISTED FUCK. GwaiMui, dirty_harry ignore the dick. Don't let him get to you. Yet again we have a common enemy.
SYS, you have severe problems, if you'd like to discuss them feel free. But don't post anything like that again. Ever.
It'll be good to have you join the gang as the guy that I have come to know as a really nice person. I think you would really fit in here.
Love Gwai Mui.
PS. Sorry I haven't emailed u 4 a while, been a bit busy.
fortunately ive never experienced any real abuse, mines nout in comparison to most, but, not wishin it on any1 mayb if wankers like sys experience a little bad treatment then they wouldnt b so thick as to make heartless comments like that of which they made.
im glad my view is appreciated, mayb if the world realised how sick these abusers r then may b they wouldnt still b out wanderin around.
i agree tat they should b kicked off as well, not only r the comments sick but they r also affectin people.
b good
love ya helly
not whishin