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30 second hypothetical

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
We have no written constitution in the UK, right?

Therefore, what mechanisms are there in place to stop the Queen from acting, other than she would be advised not to do so.

For example:

The Queen invites an MP to form a government following the General Election. It has always been the leader of the winning party. What if it wasn't? What if she chose, let's say, Charles Kennedy?

How could she be stopped?


For another example:

Tony Blair wants to declare war on Iraq. In order to move to a state of war, the Queen, as constitutional monarch and commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces, has to declare war.

So what happens if she decides she doesn't want to? Or, better yet, that war on Iraq is not right for the country, and hence, she contravenes Tony Blair's intention?

How could this be checked?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Welcome to a constitution crisis.

    It would be a tough one and would depend on public opinion, if she acted against that then we would eventually see the end of the Monarchy. The Govt would push through legislation, very fast.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So it is true that every cloud has a silver lining...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    Welcome to a constitution crisis.

    It would be a tough one and would depend on public opinion, if she acted against that then we would eventually see the end of the Monarchy. The Govt would push through legislation, very fast.

    Yes, but there's a problem with that, too.

    Constitutionally, the Queen has to approve all legislation. So she can refuse to rubber stamp legislation against her actions, can't she? :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The French had an answer for that one too... ;)

    Basically though the legislation being passed could remove that right from her once it had passed through the Commons.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Okay, so let's imagine we want to declare a republic.

    The Queen says no.

    She has on her side the Armed Forces, all of whom swear an oath of loyalty to the monarch, not the country.

    She also has a fair amount of popular and wealthy support.

    How do we enforce a republic?

    We can't stage a coup d'etat, because the Queen isn't the whole state. Parliament would have to declare war on itself.

    We can't kill her, because the succession comes in to play, and Charles will be similarly respected. We can't feasibly recreate the Romanov scenario.

    What would we do? :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Haven't you got some studying to do? :p

    Seriously though, you assume that the Armed forces would support the Queen. If you consder that MPs must swear an oath to her too, then the situation shouldn't arise.

    Look around the world, how many Republics have come about without a Civil War?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This discussion was shown on American T.V. between Tony Blair and the liaison committee in the House of Commons.

    A representative stated that he knew Tony Blair could send troops into Iraq without consulting Parliment....but didn't he think it was a good idea if he had Parliment's backing. And Tony Blair said that although he could send troops in without Parlimentary consultations...he wouldn't.

    But the mood of Parliment was later evident when it came to passing a necessary law regarding terrorism. The representatives basically told Tony Blair not to wait for new laws to protect the country. He was to do what he had to do without waiting.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: 30 second hypothetical
    Originally posted by DJP
    We have no written constitution in the UK, right?

    Therefore, what mechanisms are there in place to stop the Queen from acting, other than she would be advised not to do so.

    For example:

    The Queen invites an MP to form a government following the General Election. It has always been the leader of the winning party. What if it wasn't? What if she chose, let's say, Charles Kennedy?

    How could she be stopped?


    For another example:

    Tony Blair wants to declare war on Iraq. In order to move to a state of war, the Queen, as constitutional monarch and commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces, has to declare war.

    So what happens if she decides she doesn't want to? Or, better yet, that war on Iraq is not right for the country, and hence, she contravenes Tony Blair's intention?

    How could this be checked?

    Much of the British constitution is convention. What's your point?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent

    Look around the world, how many Republics have come about without a Civil War?

    Germany, Italy.
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