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The right way to fight terror.
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This is the main way to fight terrorism to me.
(Listed as separate ideas.)
Monitor immigrants...emails, locations etc.
Tighten the borders of Western democracies.
Aply technology. The US has sensing devices across the US that used to monitor air quality. They are being changed to monitor for bio or chemical attacks.
Create a missle defense system.
On the war on Iraq or North Korea. If they're sure they have nuclear weapons...yes. But although I have no doubt Saddam has dual use plants, like the one that produces Castor oil and ricin, he's not alone. Under-paid Russian soldiers are a threat for selling nuclear materials that could be used in a dirty bomb...for instance.
On civil rights. We give up some civil rights so people can be monitored. And all of the Western countries were smart to pass anti-terror laws that prevented their own laws from being used by terrorists to kill us.
We must realize that advanced technology and the sharing of information has a dark side that will never really go away. This is how our age will be defined.
We attack people who teach extreme forms of the Muslim religion: Wahabbism.
Create a separate state for Palestine....and create it before there's peace...otherwise we're playing into the hands of Hamas. The borders would be loose at first. And the understanding would be...separate state or not, it will not be used as a staging ground for terrorism.
(Listed as separate ideas.)
Monitor immigrants...emails, locations etc.
Tighten the borders of Western democracies.
Aply technology. The US has sensing devices across the US that used to monitor air quality. They are being changed to monitor for bio or chemical attacks.
Create a missle defense system.
On the war on Iraq or North Korea. If they're sure they have nuclear weapons...yes. But although I have no doubt Saddam has dual use plants, like the one that produces Castor oil and ricin, he's not alone. Under-paid Russian soldiers are a threat for selling nuclear materials that could be used in a dirty bomb...for instance.
On civil rights. We give up some civil rights so people can be monitored. And all of the Western countries were smart to pass anti-terror laws that prevented their own laws from being used by terrorists to kill us.
We must realize that advanced technology and the sharing of information has a dark side that will never really go away. This is how our age will be defined.
We attack people who teach extreme forms of the Muslim religion: Wahabbism.
Create a separate state for Palestine....and create it before there's peace...otherwise we're playing into the hands of Hamas. The borders would be loose at first. And the understanding would be...separate state or not, it will not be used as a staging ground for terrorism.
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Heck no.
And as for missile defence, that is completely worthless in terms of terrorist threat. Its a vestige of old school thinking that only serves to pump more money into the MIC and therby back into the private coffers of Bush and Co.
You really want to fight terrorism? Then the best weapon we could adopt is more global responsibility for our own actions, givning back to the world instead of taking what we want wherever we find it, being a force for development and providing hope and economic stability to the planet instead of concerning ourselves with our own suburban comforts and conveniences.
To really fight terrorism we need citizens to stop the gluttonous overconsumption and learn that as 5% of the world's population we do not have a "right" to consume 65% of all its natural resources.
If we remove the deprivation and hopelessness from which terrorists and fanatics find their converts then we will have already won more than half the battle. But are our cozy citizens prepared to learn that they are not the entire planet, nor that we have a right to dominate other nations simply because we can militarily?
Thats where the battle must be fought if the WoT is serious. Otherwise all we have is a new campaign slogan that will never be realised just like the War on Drugs.
Bin Laden himself (if he is still alive) is rich. I don't think he founded Al Qaeda because he is concerned about the inequality in which Arabs or Muslims in general face.
Yes poverty and hopelessness and lack of any economic future play a leading role in providing sources of ready converts to the cause. Most footsoldiers who carry out the atrocities are mere conscripts. The Big Boys do not do the dirty work themselves.
:rolleyes:
Better check that scope Greeny its well off the mark! lol.
OK, it probably plays some role but I doubt it's the leading cause of the formation of terrorist organisations. Surely the foreign policies of Western nations (like the US) is also relevant.
Do people join the Provisional (or Real) IRA because they are poor or because they despise a British presence on the island of Ireland?
Rather, it simply frightens the clandestine-collaborator because it is apropos.
(sorry browser is messed up and cant put that statement into the quote box)
Yes Monocrat, our foreign policy is largely what has brought us to this great disparaty in the first place. I mentioned destitution and lack of opportunity as the fertile soil from which fanaticism increases its following, but that destitution doesnt occur in a vacuum.
- Imposition of oppressive puppet regimes to serve our interests
- Maintenance of military presence in more countries than any empire the world has ever known to enforce our economic holdings.
- Maintenance of a global economic infrastructure (World Bank, IMF, etc.) which keeps developing nations in a cycle of permanent debt.
- And the gluttonous overconsumption of our societies which is paid for by counrless millions who's resources we connive to control or simply take outright by force of arms.
Perhaps this might add some insight:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb50.pdf
They don't want the freedom and diversity. They want life lived THEIR WAY. Remember, the hijackers came to NYC. There's 3 million immigrants in NYC. And after the buildings, the next thing you notice about NYC is all of the different people from different cultures living together, mostly, without killing each other. In fact there's a street in Manhattan with Pakistani and Indian restaurants next to each other.
The terrorists hated that! They believe living to a strict Muslim code is THE way. And unfortunately, people with those beliefs have to be stopped.
you realy do need to visit the uk if you get the chance. very different. trouble is, the harmony we have had for 40yrs is going rapidly out the window. even this old hippy anti viet nam peacenik, has become more warrior than priest, since 9/11.
Despite Clandestine's pontificating, any actual research into the makeup of terrorist organizations will find that poverty is usually not a key feature. The exact opposite is generally true, since those suffering in poverty generally have neither the energy or the education to be terrorists.
They live in their own comfortable little world and criticise those that fight or have fought for their freedoms, something they will never do for themselves, but expect others to do it for them.
Can you just clarify, are you talking about actual combat?
Yes, the nearest most people come to it is watching it on the telly,
IMO if you have been "there" your views are changed forever.
But can and sometimes are used by the terrorists as "canon fodder"
American way: Pay some(IRA), Create some (Palastinians) and cover everything up that's wrong in your own country with their activities.
Or there's the real way. It's called working with people like The Orange Volounteers who want peace in N.Ireland and will kill those that stand in the way of peace. Have them work with MI5 and the Army. Wars of attrition stop terrorists.
I should think if our men in uniform were true to their claims they would rail against the very leaders that we dissenters rail against for sending them into the battles they hate so much.
Something is definitely afoot in hypocrisyville.
There's the problem.
You should have been a stand up comic Greeny, its in your blood.
I mean, if you're going to fight terror it should be done properly; if someone commits an act of terror against us find out where they come from (or if we can't, hey just pick a town/city/country) and flatten it. Properly now I mean; thermonukes all the way. Then track down all the people they've ever met or known, their family, friends and even their pets. Then *everyone* will know not to raise arms against the pax Americana.
Won't it be jolly? ;(
I think you've watched The Usual Suspects one time too many...
The USA as Kaiser Soze... lol