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The asylum system is a complete shambles.
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Shadow home secretary Oliver Letwin said: "The asylum system is a complete shambles.
"It's yet further evidence that people are getting through the asylum system who do not have the best interests of this country at heart and who intend to pursue terrorist activities."
(Conservatives are saying the same kind of thing in the US about our IMS...immigrant management system.)
What do you think?
"It's yet further evidence that people are getting through the asylum system who do not have the best interests of this country at heart and who intend to pursue terrorist activities."
(Conservatives are saying the same kind of thing in the US about our IMS...immigrant management system.)
What do you think?
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Most of the press has an agenda. You only need to look at last week's headlines in the right wing press with regard to the ricin found in London: "Poison Gas Gang Are Asylum Seekers".
This in essence is as ludicrous a headline as one announcing: "Double Murderer and Child Rapist is Daily Mail Reader".
The fact is that a committed terrorist will manage to strike at the heart of the country he chooses whether is through legal immigration, asylum seeking, an inside job (already a citizen of that country) or simply through infiltration.
I haven't heard of any. Most come through the channel tunnel, having sneaked onto freight trains.
Out Coastguard isn't nearly as well funded as yours and it doesn't have any big patrol vessels, but I'm sure that if they did discover illegal immigrants coming in by boat, they would inform the immigration authorities. The same would go for Customs & Excise and the Royal Navy, who do have patrol ships.
Edited to add link: www.hmcoastguard.co.uk
Sadly many of of the boats capsize in the rough waters. Sometimes the guys who run the boats, and who charge up to a $1,000 per passanger, chuck everyone overboard if there is a Spanish Coast Guard boat approaching. It is not unusual to pick up 20 bodies from the water in a week.
Those who make it to Spanish shores are usually picked up by the police within hours and sent back, although I'm sure a few escape the net. However the great majority are just people fleeing death and famine.
I know some people feel that they are just being ungrateful and I know some people think that they shouldn't be locked up because they're not proven criminals (well now some are) they're just people trying to escape war and finding a better way to live. I don't know what to believe I don't have enough facts. I don't think they should be treated like criminals because they didn't go through the legal channels of getting to Australia because they've might not have had the chance. But also I don't support letting people that we can't support properly either. So i dunno.
Asylum is a shambles. According to UN figures last year Britain took the most asylum seekers in the world. Not the most per capita or per square mile but the most. I think it was about 1000 more than America did. All other major countries appeared to be getting less and less while Britain's figures soared.
Welcome to Blair's Britain, JP!
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I think we have to consider that there are people all over the world who need refuge from their regimes, and we should help these people out.
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Gang violence in Nottingham, Birmingham and Manchester is increasing dramatically and is being fuelled by the influx of immigrants from different groups that hated each other before, and hate each other now.
Out of all the British criminals in prison at the moment, how many are there for plotting to kill thousands of commuters on the London underground or assasinate leading political figures? None is the answer you're looking for.
Yes, most of the crime in the UK isn't caused by asylum seekers, it's just a worrying trend when the crime they do try to commit involves the murder of a few thousand people. Imagine if the gang that had been caught before had managed to release some sort of gas into the underground, or some other gang successfully managed to poison food heading towards Downing street?
What would happen to our International reputation if those criminals travelled on falsified British passports to the USA and planted a bomb in New York or Florida or las Vegas, or some other popular tourist resort?
What would people be saying if a criminal gang managed to plant a dirty nuke next to the Whitehouse, and it was traced to a gang here, who managed to get into this country undetected?
Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it won't, it's all well and good saying that papers like the Mail are scaremongering, but when we can't stop people entering our country and killing police officers or manufacturing WMD's what chance do we have?
Do you mean apart from Irish Terrorists?
When have they tried to kill off the entire population of a city of 7 million?
When have they done anything serious in the last few years? Sure they've killed people, but at least that problem is under increasing control, thanks to the peace process but also to the police and intelligence agencies keeping track on all the people affiliated with the IRA.
We know *nothing* about these people who are entering the country, the police aren't even sure of the real name of the guy who killed one officer and injured 3 others.
What about US Christian fundamentalists linked to radical pro-life groups?
These people are surely a threat to national security......
I am aware that in difficult times people may move to other countries to seek refuge (my own parents came here during a civil war in the 70s) but the system in this country has fallen to pieces. The government simply don't realise that this country is too small for the vast numbers of people constantly arriving here. It puts an even greater strain on already stretched resources such as the NHs and education. A good idea would be for the country to not admit any more refugees until the current backlog of applications is dealt with and the minority who are not genuine are located. That way, future asylum applications could be dealt with more effectively.
So many Hispanics have immigrated to the US, they outnumber Blacks. This all happened in two years! Their numbers doubled. Most are poor people who just want hope. But within this flood, we've all seen in our countries how Al Qaeda uses the immigration policies of the West for its own goals.
This article makes very interesting reading. I wouldn't say the asylum seeker situation is perfect but believe me, in reality this is a rather low priority issue. Certainly not worthy of the tens of thousands of column inches and scores of front pages racist, selfish rags like the Mail or Sun devote to the issue.
This is not true, there are tens of thousands of empty rooms in this country, urban waste ground, abandoned warehouses etc.
Immigrants create wealth, this is a fact, thus more immigration lessens the burden of the NHS etc.....
Aren't there also several where oral sex is illegal - even for heterosexuals?
The words 'out', 'sort' and 'priorities' spring to mind...