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Born again bullies.
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I'm not sure if this is just an American thing, but even if it is it's relevant for all of you to speak about since the Christian right helped elect Bush.
See, I live down the shore. And some big towns have boardwalks with rides. And every summer, youngish Born again Christians descend on the boards to save teens. I used to try to be polite and listen. But what I've found is that it's just easier not to because they think they're convincing you. They start about knowing the love of Jesus. Fine, he was a good guy. Then it gets to be you can only know him this way. I always answer I'm a Catholic, I already know him. Then they escalate it basically saying if you aren't born again, you won't see God in the afterlife or the people you love who have died. So now I'm think'n, yup, that's a loving God. One who is going to send all Jews, Muslims and any Christian who doesn't think exactly like them to hell. The last time I spoke with one of these born again bullies I said: to you, hell is this huge space to hold all of the people God is sending there. And have, is this selective space just big enough for u! I guess that makes you pretty special. And I walked away.
Anyone have any experience with radical Christians?
See, I live down the shore. And some big towns have boardwalks with rides. And every summer, youngish Born again Christians descend on the boards to save teens. I used to try to be polite and listen. But what I've found is that it's just easier not to because they think they're convincing you. They start about knowing the love of Jesus. Fine, he was a good guy. Then it gets to be you can only know him this way. I always answer I'm a Catholic, I already know him. Then they escalate it basically saying if you aren't born again, you won't see God in the afterlife or the people you love who have died. So now I'm think'n, yup, that's a loving God. One who is going to send all Jews, Muslims and any Christian who doesn't think exactly like them to hell. The last time I spoke with one of these born again bullies I said: to you, hell is this huge space to hold all of the people God is sending there. And have, is this selective space just big enough for u! I guess that makes you pretty special. And I walked away.
Anyone have any experience with radical Christians?
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And I generally hate people for either demeaning you for believing, or the ones who don't think you show your belief enough.
When I get asked, I answer, or when I think that a religious point (and not always using the point of view, from my own religion) of view has any relevance for a discussion or conversation.
In the end they do it out of good will, and want to "save" as many people as possible. But a no is a no.
the catholic church are the people who started off the teaching of god burning people in hell for thier sins. the catholic church is the ultimate in antichrists! without the catholic bishops 100% backing hitler could not have done what he did. the catholic church tortured and killed and burnt at the stake men who tried to translate the bible into common languages for the people. their church is full of idols and images which the god of the bible detests. they teach that you can pray through a woman called mary and a thousand plaster saints...but jesus said you could only reach god if you prayed in his name.
the catholic bishops live in palaces with servants and every luxury...of course you could see jesus saying "these men are truly following me, they are my true disciples on earth"? i think not mate.
do not be called father in a spiritual sense says the bible...so the catholics do not just do the opposite but even have a "most holy father."
read about the destruction of babylon the great in the book of revalation and tell me that the great harlot is not the catholic church. it describes in great detail the robes, the buildings and even where her seat of power lays. a unique city on seven hills.
vatican city is the only city on earth that is that unique, with it's own currency and it's own army and is officialy a city state and sits on the seven hills of rome.
the catholic church is the ultimate antichrist for gods sake. read it for yourself and then tell me what catholocism has in common with biblical christianty.
the blood on the hands of the catholic church is unmeasurable.
you dare to call other christian faiths bullies. have a read of your bible...something the catholic church dont encourage as the bible exposes them for what they are. have a read about jesus going from house to house with his men, knocking on doors and stopping people in town. he didn't do what the catholic bishops do which is to put themselves above the people and teach lies, stay in , in thier luxury. when was the last time you saw a bishop going from door to door and street to street preaching the good news? feeding people, washing thier feet.
you got a nerve calling them bullies!
i cant comment on islam as i know jack shit about it. but the bible i have read in some detail and discussed at some length with various people for many years.
do you honestly believe that if the god of the bible is real and alive and well, that he would take sides with either the catholics or the protestants in n.ireland? i think not. i don't for a moment believe that he condones one single act of hatred committed in his name.
the bible is very straight in telling people who want to serve that particular god, what that god praises and what he condems.
look at your bible and compare it's teachings with catholic teachings. you will discover that catholic is nothing like christian.
theres no hatred in my words. read the bit in revalation about god destroying the unique city that stands on seven hills. the bibles anger not mine. jesus said if your not for him your against him. theres no middle fence to sit on. yes catholic individuals i'm sure saved jews. i am talking about the organisation and it's teachings. i haven't made up any of what i have said. it's all in YOUR bible. teaching priests not to marry is not the teaching of god but the teaching of demons. have a read before you condem me!
The Catholic Church however, wasn't as helpful...
The RCC was also quite involved with the Musolini government during WWII.
Schindler - a paid up party member I believe - being an notable example...
Or perhaps you are just a little paranoid.
I don't think you'll find people who hate Americans and Catholics, but you may find a few who don't like what the American Govt or the Catholic Church stand for. There is a big difference...
pnj, like many of my compatriots, seems to believe that Washington stands for the average man on the street. Sadly he will come to understand (hopefully) in time that Washington is an incestuous cesspool of corruption that serves only itself and its biggest financial contributors and couldnt give a rats ass in day to day operational terms about the general public.
Only time they take any notice whatsoever to the "will of the people" is when activism reaches levels that might tip the balance of the next election. Even then, all youll get is convenient BS meant to quiet (or in some cases) discredit such activists so that the status quo is not unduly interrupted.
The Bush admin (like the Catholic Church) has earned (and continues to earn) all the criticism and condemnation they receive.
A little less of the doomsaying would be nice.
Jehovahs witnesses dont actually believe in Hell, they believe in total death with ressurection to a renewed earth in an earthly body.
Televangelist are in it for financial gain, not to save souls.
i hate the way america is trampling accross people in it's sudden mad and bad expansion. going to slaughter hundreds of thousands of flesh and blood people for what...for woolworths.
i actualy have a couple of catholics in my family. they wont read what i ask them to. NO NO it...cant be true. surely your making it up. dream on dream on.live in your nice warm ilusion. your entitled to. sometimes i wish i could join you.
So I was speaking about anyone who tries to jam his or her beliefs down my throat.
altho, Nothern Irelands not really peaceful now. and it probably never will be.
I'm not exactly "like" anyone else. My religion gives me a moral background from which to live and keeps me from being materialistic and being jealous of other people who have more in this life. I've met people who don't believe in anything who are moral too or believe in a totally different afterlife...as those who grew up in Vietnam. One person on the site that I admire is Dead in Hollywood...She's a Wiccan.
Northern Ireland will never be peaceful. I can tell you that now. Those of us who are close to Ulster will know that it's a gangland war now about who's right it is to sell drugs on what patch (hence UDA and UVF, two Loyalist paramilitaries fighting in the street.) The only exception at the moment being the Orange Volounteers who are just out to kill anyone who's bad for Ulster.
Why wont we have peace? Because the ancient laws that have been made up in our Irish blood wont let us forgive and forget.
A lot of other sources have stories which are different from your statement.
altho, we are kinda off the subject of born again Christians.
and i just thought i would let you all know that i am one, and i dont agree with forcing my beliefs down other peoples throats. its a personal thing for me and im not gonna go around preaching to others, although there are some who will (most of the time with good intentions), thats not for me.