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Capatilism vs Communism
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Which is best?
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They're definitely not doing any favour for the communism.
Capitilism works, however imperfectly.
Communism doesn't work.
No real choice.
Marxism is outdated, yo.
But capitalism is da best economic system available, innit.
Of course it has da flaws, but what system don't?
To achieve a good economy, and hapy people to run and live in it, you need to strike some kind of balance.
Also, surly "command or free-market" would suit the thread title better.
Capitalism is the stop gap until the human race has matured enough to "share".
Please don't do this debate if you're a pseudo Marxist? You'll invariably end up losing. Painfully.
Marx says that it is unjust in terms of a communist ideal that the capitalists should own the means of production, they do not create the wealth, the workers do, how then can you argue that it is right for othersa to make the profits from your labour?
Capitalism involves merely the alienation of people from the means of production. The non-capitalist alternative, of course, is peasantry. The people do not own the means of production, hence they sell their labour as wage labour. They receive a wage for their labour. Where's the issue?
Why should the profit created by your labour go to owners who have not contributed to the wealth creation process?
Because they invested in the infrastructure of the means of production. They put the money in to give you the job in the first place. And, besides, you're paid a wage. When that happens, you can end your work at the end of the shift. You don't *have* to work until it's done; you can clock off. What's wrong with that system of reward? And, if you don't like it; then go live on a farm and try and subsist. Simple, really.
Ever run a business? Make an investment? They contribute.
Does the inequality currently present in the world not appall you?
Besides, the closest thing to communism actually practiced is peasantry; where everyone has a share in the means of production and can be equal. Problems with peasantry?
Well, it's vulnerable to freeloaders. So what do you do? You tribute some of your produce to a knight class, who live off your labour. They then can control you. Ooops, start again.
Well, peasantry is subsistence level, too. You don't get luxuries, or variety; you only get what you produce. Er, no.
More simply; peasantry evolved over time in to capitalism, implying that it is better (otherwise, why evolve, right?) via mercantilism.
i have to disagree there, under communism people think there work is of value to society in general, and not to some big fat cat sitting in an office doing not a lot, whilst your slaving away for his lifestyle.
Might well be right, but I would recommend you read the context of what I said; that peasantry was vulnerable to freeloaders, not Communism.
Also is not the ownership of a company by the workers via the medium of shares not the same to owning the means of production, maybe if we did that.............
To play devil's advocate; why?
Secondly, no it's not the same of ownership of means of production. Besides, how can you have shares without a stock market, something not necessary under communism?
Equality of oppurtunity is to be desired because it is just and equality of wealth is to be desired because it maximises human happiness, no?
Communism.
But only for the humour factor.
Define 'just.'
Why is equality of opportunity just?
Why is anything that is just also desirable?
Why does equality of wealth maximize human happiness?
Why is that situation that maximizes human happiness also desirable?
Equality of opportunity is only more 'just' in that humans (with differing talents and abilities) would naturally achieve different outcomes in life.
Don't know anyone who has lived and worked under communism, do you?
Oh, look! He speaks proper English! *applauds*
That's the point I was going to make. Go have a chat with someone who had to pick up the slack for some lazy git who was guarranteed a job under Communism, and therefore couldn't be fired.
A liberal theory of justice where what is just is fair. I'm thinking of a Rawlsian model here.
Therefore a good state maximises the primary social goods available to all irrespective of their status, race, gender etc.
Justice is desirable because we are all open to be exploited by those who would do us harm for there own pleasure. Just institutions protect us all and therefore for purely selfish reasons justice is desirable to make our lives better.
Equality of wealth maximises human happiness because of the law of diminishing marginal utility.......