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Iraq agrees to the unconditional return of UN inspectors
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Want to provide a source?
In fact, plans for a whole range of conflicts are held at the Pentagon, and plans for conflict with Iraq have been continually updated since 1991 (wonder why?). Funny though...if you know that the plan for invasion was in the works since prior to 9/11/01, you'd have to know what the actual plan is, wouldn't you? And you don't. Neither do your sources.
Umm no sorry MoK, but WWII is a considerably different order of magnitude than anything the US is trying to pull off nowadays. WWII wasn't started by the US, wasn't a direct consequence of its own hypocritical and hegemonic foreign policy, nor was it a unilateral invasion, nor was it pre-emptive.
I am not going to sit and debate ad infinitum with you and Greenhat since you both are 100% confirmed war supporters and obviously refuse to question the pre-text, attitude, or related actions of the US govt post 9/11.
You and Greenhat can slam the UN for its failure in the past as much of that criticism is deserved. However, I also feel that more criticism should be made concerning a moronic, greedy and corrupt administration like the current US admin than is apparently the case at the moment. It is not the United States of the World after all, it is one country that behaves as if everyone must bow to its wishes anytime it throws a tantrum like a spoiled three year old child.
I also believe, despite your criticism, that there is far more illicit activity surrounding events since Bush took office, and - given the connections the Bush family has with the Carlysle Group, CIA connections with Bin Laden, the fact that past US administrations have conducted covert operations whether it be arms sales to those we now call terrorists or to oppressive regimes - I have every faith that my take on the situation is far closer to the truth than the cover stories you choose to believe in.
So rant on and flame away if it helps you sleep better, Ill continue to decry the behaviour of my country's leadership till people wake up once again and find their conscience.
Proof positive that it is indeed toothless.
Keep dreaming.
Just words, and that is the problem with the UN, as an entity. All it has, without the US, is words. What it needs is action, and as the resolutions against Israel prove, they are only able to enforce their will when the US is on board.
Its all hypocrisy frankly.
The fact that the UN cannot act against one country, because another country stands in the way really explains why I hold the UN in comtempt.
Two countries prevent action by the rest of the world.
Speaks volumes, doesn't it...
Its also the reason why the League of Nations failed, because it was shown that it could not act when it needed to.
I wouldn't disagree with that.
Perhaps the UN could do something about it :yeees:
Still wouldn't make any difference. Would probably result in those nations leaving the UN and the UN being evicted from NY. At which time the UN would fail.
If Bush and Co. signalled any such decision to withdraw on such grounds, there would be a political backlash in the electorate which Bush definitely would not be able to lie his way out of with more BS.
Its time our country learned that it is but one of many and as we like to say, our rights end where everyone else's rights begin.
Is it possible to find a neutral place, unless someone isn't a member...
Haven't paid attention to polls of US opinion of the UN, have you?
We live in a Nation of Law, just like y'all do.. We follow the law or pay a price, just like y'all do..
If the UN makes resolutions just to make idle noises, what good are they?
As an American, I find the UN to be an expensive habit, not only expensive but ineffective. By the polls, most Americans agree...
Plus, there's no united about the United Nations, they pass international laws or resolutions, then ignore them..
Frankly without the UN the US would be nothing more than a rogue state given its offensive foreign policy practices, and it would remove the umbrella of credibility for our government to railroad other nations to accept our singular vision of the world.
I suppose we'd finally get to see if we are so all powerful that we could fight off the rest of the world united against us at some future point but ill keep my vote FOR the UN thank you very much.
Well you can bet your arse that the rest of the world wants the US out of the UN as well!
I find it extraordinary that you see fit to condemn the UN for lack of action on world conflicts. Guess the name of the country that has blocked no less than 32 UN resolutions on Israel in the last 25 years. Guess the name of the country that has been all too happy to ignore the non-compliance of at least 2 UN resolutions on Israel for up to 35 years.
How can the US complain about the non-compliance of UN resolutions by Iraq when America's bestiest friend and protegee is allowed to laugh in the face of international justice and carry on committing human right abuses unchecked?
Yes, I think it'd be better for all if the US pulled out. They've proved before they don't care for international law or approval before attacking other sovereign nations. And at least the UN could get on with its duties without interference. Hell, we could even see the deployment of peace keeping troops in the Middle East or have UN approval for an European Force intervention in the region. I'd love to see America trying to stop that.
Bet they don't
Guess the name of the organisation who has failed to do any of this because one nation objects.
Hardly a stong organisation if that is all it takes to stop them...
Really, how would it get on with things? How often do you see US troops called in to support UN actions?
It's interesting to note how fervently the US is against the creation of an independent Euro army or even a small European Rapid Reaction Force. This body would eventually render NATO irrelevant as far as Europe is concerned, and would give us a priceless military independence from America. And if the UN were allowed to use this force for the implementation of UN resolutions it could work without any interference from US, as it would no longer rely on the Americans to supply military hardware. Then you might see the UN become a little more relevant to world peace.
How do you move those forces there? How do you keep them supplied? Guess what? The US Air Force and the US Navy are the prime movers for all of Nato and virtually all UN deployments. Only the Russians have anything resembling an air movement capability (and maybe you've noticed how well they're doing keeping them flying) and no one has a naval support capability except the US (Britain scrapped hers shortly after the Falklands, and the Falklands stretched her capabilities to the limit).
Amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics.
Without the US, the UN fails.
We'd manage.
You have no idea what is entailed in supporting a military operation, do you? Even a peace keeping mission of a battalion and its support elements outside of Europe would exceed the capabilities of Nato without the US in a very short time, and would exceed the capabilities Russia can hire out to you within 6 months.
Never tell another to do what one will not do one's self..
The UN creates messes, they do not clean them up..
The EU lacks a experience as a team, but as individuals? They've been fighting since the start of recorded history..
Yes, the "network" is limited, but you noticed and that is quite an improvement.. After all no one "noticed" before WWII...
BTW, the subject of this thread is incorrect..
Iraq has NOT agreed to the unconditional return of UN inspectors..
However, Iraq has agreed to dictate conditions about the return of UN Inspectors...
Is there a literacy or comprehension problem over there??
OR is your news media as shoddy and inaccurate as ours???
I play a game and its a lot of fun... You take all the rhetoric and debate from pre WWII, swapping Nazi for Iraqi and sodam insane for Hitler...
The person who said history always repeats its self was quite accurate...