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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Ok, so this isn't strictly a sex question but it's to do with sex so i'm puttin it here. This sorta stems from an argument that i'm havin with a m8 of mine, he says that men are the more dominant sex, that men are more intelligent, have better jobs and rule the world . He says feminism is a movement to try and get out of this rut but feminists just become more masculine which defeats the object. Please note that my friend has a g/f so he's not bitter, neither is he a mysogyninist this is simply his veiw and i'd just like everyone's oppinion.

The veiws here are genuinly a friends, not my own, i believe that men and women should, and nearly are equal to men. If this post has offended anyone i'm very sorry.

Who's name does God use in vain?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah Stu I knew this would go further. NO the opinion were not mine and they were of a mate (Ash Harris if u must know).

    I agree here that all people should be judged equally, given equal rights and opputunities whatever is between their legs.

    Those are models legs, but are they womans or are they mens?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Those ARE mysoginistic views, like it or not.

    As a general rule, I'd say blokes a physically stronger but mentally weaker.

    Had women been given equal rights years ago, the jobs question wouldn't be an issue. Nor is Feminism just a movement either, it should be a state of mind. Men and women should be treated equally.

    As for being judged by what a woman has between her legs - if she so inclined, a woman could have as many dicks between her legs as she wanted. That is why women have the ultimate power.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    part of the problem is perhaps with the whole concept of 'feminism'. some men see it as a militant, anti-male concept. others see it as an equality issue, rather than a crusade for female superiority. the problem is, no man can really have a sensible debate on the topic without either being called sexist or pro-women, neither of which usually apply in truth (these accusations come not only from women but from men as well). the problem is that the issues raised here are at the core of what we struggle through every day, be it 'positive discrimination towards women', or 'traditional male elitism'. these problems will never really go away so long as the issue is brushed aside due to mutual antipathy and miscomprehension.

    variation within the sexes makes it ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to stereotype. women can be rugby coaches just as easily as men can be midwives - it falls to the individual's characteristics. we SHOULD all be judged on who we are, not our sex, but thats an ideal world that is far detatched form present realities.

    give everyone an equal chance, and things will even up. it may take a decade, a generation, a century, or even longer, but it will happen. 'egalitarianism' should be the battle-cry of the future, not 'feminism', which has too many negative connotations to be used responsibly. we all say we believe in an equal-opportunities society, so perhaps its about time we started to take advantage of those opportunities. that way, in times to come, it will be those who believe in equality that hold power in society, not those who bandy around 'equality' as a political cash-cow. this issue is more alive today than it has ever been.

    if we as a society and as a race are going to do this right, we need to all put aside the petty differences and stupid prejudices that permeate modern life like ill-fitting cast-offs from a different epoch. fight for equality, but believe in what it is you are fighting for, so we can all struggle towards a common goal.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sorry, think i got a bit carried away there. i did mean it though <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nicely put Danno. Can't argue with that.

    have you been reading again? <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;

    "Cough up the rent, Mr Kent
    And don't go blame it on the government"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    that's what english lit. revision does to your brain. a very dangerous thing this language malarkey <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    As for being judged by what a woman has between her legs - if she so inclined, a woman could have as many dicks between her legs as she wanted. That is why women have the ultimate power.

    haha!! that's awesome!

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pah!

    Look into these tired eyes. See something you might recognise.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What you said, Dan, is right on. Well put!

    One important thing for people to do is to look at themselves and people around them in a new way... of course, this is hard to do, but it's pretty darn important. We see sexual discrimination (on both ends) going on all the time, but it happens so much that we're used to it and don't think it's anything that should be challenged. Language is a big part of this, and of course the double standards when it comes to sex.

    For example:

    In the punk community (take note that I'm talking about do-it-yourself, political activist, independent punk here, not commercial pseudo-punk), people are pretty proud of being open minded and accepting. Most people that are part of the scene are pro-equality in every way (race, class, gender, sexual orientation), and most own some kind of t-shirt or patch stating this. It's an issue that is talked about a lot, but not really ACTED on. The VAST majority of punk rockers are white upper middle class straight men. And upper middle class straight men do not (and cannot) fully understand what it is like to be a minority. There are lots of times when machismo gets in the way at shows... when guys are dancing very aggressively, when they push girls aside because "girls don't mosh", when it's assumed that a girl traveling with a band isn't part of the band, she's the girlfriend of someone, etc... lots of little assumptions.

    I was in Washington, DC for the WTO/World Bank protest, and there was a show one of the nights. A couple friends and I were invited to do a skit inbetween bands. So we came up with one where we talked about feminsim in a pretty normal way, about patriarchy and equality and all that jazz, nothing really pertinent to our own community. My friend Rob pretended to be really macho and constantly interrupted the girls up on stage when they tried to say anything. He totally took over the presentation, but no one watching seemed to notice. It was an example of something that happens regularly but isn't questioned. I was "undercover" in the crowd, and when everyone was clapping for the rather bland and uninformative presentation, I piped up with "that's complete bullshit!"... there was a big gasp from the crowd and everyone went dead quiet. People seemed to be shocked that I would be questioning this, that I, as a woman, would be outspoken. A couple other women were totally supportive and encouraged me (they didn't know that this had been planned beforehand) but most other people seemed a bit pissed off at me. I went off on a bit of a rant, and everyone got out of their initial shock and realized that nothing should be taken for granted. Whether the message stuck or not, I don't know, but afterwards a lot of people came up to me and said they enjoyed it.

    Anyway, that was a lot of words for nothing, really... just thought I'd let you know that there are things that you can do that can break stereotypes out of the box and are fun at the same time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by amadee:
    I was in Washington, DC for the WTO/World Bank protest

    *bows in admiration for someone willing to stand up for what they believe in*

    Can't seem to find any decent websites about this subject. Do you know of any?



    "Cough up the rent, Mr Kent
    And don't go blame it on the government"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally Posted by Man Of Kent:

    *bows in admiration for someone willing to stand up for what they believe in*

    Thanks! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt; I try to go to as many protests/ rallys/ workshops/ etc. as I can... I'm going to major in "social and global issues" in university (i.e. i want to be an activist and work for a non-profit when i grow up)
    Originally Posted by Man Of Kent:

    Can't seem to find any decent websites about this subject. Do you know of any?

    Sure thing:
    http://www.a16.org/ - the 'official' website for the protest http://www.globalexchange.org/wbimf/facts.html - facts about the imf and world bank
    http://www.foe.org/imf/ -more imf info
    http://www.50years.org/ - 50 years is enough network (wants to drop 3rd world debt)
    http://dc.indymedia.org/a16.php3 - the independent media center for the protest... news on what happened from our side
    http://www.fair.org/issues-news/imf-worldbank.html - more info, links, etc.

    ...hope you find that helpful! I'm glad you're interested!

    [This message has been edited by amadee (edited 06-06-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by amadee:
    ...hope you find that helpful! I'm glad you're interested!


    I'm not stupid enough to believe that governments and multinationals look after my interests!

    Or that the media report the truth. They misrepresent most things when you analyse them.

    Thanx for the links.

    *walks away pleased that he's not the only 'troublemaker' on thesite*




    "Cough up the rent, Mr Kent
    And don't go blame it on the government"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:

    I'm not stupid enough to believe that governments and multinationals look after my interests!

    Or that the media report the truth. They misrepresent most things when you analyse them.

    Thanx for the links.

    *walks away pleased that he's not the only 'troublemaker' on thesite*

    Mainstream media definitely misrepresents things. I've seen this SO much, with local and national news. It makes me really angry when I read about all the 'trouble' that we've caused, and how 'useless' it all is, when we're implementing really positive social change!

    ARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH.

    I'm glad you're here, MOK. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    Your cycles have bled into ones supposed to be my own
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just had to say to TURTLE -

    Your signature is WRONG!!! :<

    The Ash lyrics are
    'Look in to my tired eyes, see someone you don't recognise...'

    Sort it out!!
    (nom)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's a pretty harsh thing to say for your first post. Maybe you should introduce yourself before you start correcting people's mistakes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by WaterNymph:
    Just had to say to TURTLE -

    Your signature is WRONG!!! :<

    The Ash lyrics are
    'Look in to my tired eyes, see someone you don't recognise...'

    Sort it out!!
    (nom)

    i'm undecided to tell u to go fuck yourself or to say that i know they're wrong i'm just too fucking lazy to change it. but thank you anway.

    now i get to tell u to go fuck yourself, post in relevant boards, no need to shout, would be nice if u introduced urself, and i dont honestly think ur gonna be too welcome here. cos i dont like you, even if u are an ash fan (whihc so far is only ur plus point).

    apologies will be accepted, hope u learn from ur mistakes and stay around if ur gonna be 1/2 civil, it's a nice place, some nice people here.

    turtletoise.

    Look into these tired eyes. See something you might recognise.
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    Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Posts: 2,822 Boards Guru
    that was weird. very explosive entry by a newbie, turtle half being mean-turtle (go you! hehe) and half welcoming.

    dont know what to say now. i corrected him ages ago bout those lyrics tho, does annoy me an ickle bit too <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; but hmm.. think maybe WN coulda made a bit better first impression... but who knows, maybe they'll turn out to be nice and friendly and helpful and stuff? lets hope so... *insert friendly welcome if this is the case*

    I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.
    ~ the late, great Douglas Adams
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hello water nypmph

    i'm going to have to agree with everyone i'm not one to be mean to a newbie, but if u want to make friends here i suggest u introduce yourself and stop yelling at people well anyway welcome to The Site

    I know I'm not perfect but I can smile
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Girl-From-Mars:
    dont know what to say now. i corrected him ages ago bout those lyrics tho, does annoy me an ickle bit too <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

    would u like to face the wrath of me as well? <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    Look into these tired eyes. See something you might recognise.
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