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father of 10yr old ecstacy victim arrested.
BillieTheBot
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If you are going to use drugs, at least use them reponsibly and don't leave them around for innocent children to take by accident. It's incredible the amount of thick parents there are out there who spend so much time thinking about their own pleasure and wants and completely neglect their children.
If you can't be bothered to look after your children then please don't have them.
It's like getting a dog and never talking it out for a walk or letting it eat! The RSPCA would do somethign about it and in the case of a child so should the police!
However, would there be an arrest if it had been asprin?
very good point mr spliffy.
you wont mind me calling you mr spliffy on your rise to power will you mike ?
Then there's always the possibility that she actually had some idea what they were!!!
Also bloody goint points Skive!
We have been talking about here, conclusion: It was an accident, OK it shouldn't have happened, but the father has to live with that for the rest of his life.
Therefore, he should not face court, just to be made an example off - what benefit to society to imprison this man?
It's not as if he's likey to 'reoffend'.
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The father wouldn't be held responsible or charged with manslaughter if it were paracetamol the girl had taken, it would have been labelled a tragic accident, so why should it be any different with ecstasy?
The only difference is that ecstasy is illegal and therefore the father should be charged with posession or intent to supply. Anyway, he's already got a 'life' scentance in the sense that he has to live with this the rest of his life.
Skive I usually think you are the voice of reason and sanity on these boards when it comes to drugs, but I can't beleive you feel like that.
Taking paracetamol would not kill a child. Overdosing on paracetamol could, but we all have stuff like that in our medicine cabinets. As a parent you have to minimise the risks to your child, by putting stuff like that in a safe place.
But leaving E kicking about is NOT minimising any risk. You know as well as I do that it's a potential killer and we all take the risks when we swallow one. That wee girl did not have the knowledge that we do about it. Her parents did. And I agree with Rainbowbrite...if the muppet was dealing it from his home where jade lived, then he was glamourising drug culture and increasing her interest and desire to use ecstasy. So whether he accidently left it where she had access or had been inadvertedly promoting the drug to her through his daily actions, then he should pay the price.
I take E and I have a kid, but I would never have anything in the house when he was here. It puts the fear of God in to me thinking of what could happen.
Alright fair enough, by dealing the drug with kids about I can see that he has must take a fair bit of reponsibility. That's no enviroment for a kid to grow up in, and could have influenced her to take them.
...but leaving five pills in reach strong pain killers in reach is no different than leaving five strong pain killers, dishwasher tablets, bleach or any other potentially nasty substance on the side. The fact that something is illegal makes no difference to what it does to you body, there's plenty of legal subtstances out there that will kill you, do you see what I'm trying to get at?
If it had been painkillers the kid had swallowed it wouldn't have made the headlines and would've been labelled an accident, the only difference in this case is that he was dealing when he had a responsibility to his children to make sure they grow up in safe enviroment. If he hadn't been dealing but would you still sugest he was charged with manslaughter?
I'm really not sure sure what a conviction of mansaughter would achieve, this man is already serving a life scentance and as Sir Spliffy said, what good would it serve society to send him to prison!
...you are no more responsible for taking an E getting high and leaving pills on the side, than of taking a sleeping tablet and leaving pills on the side.
Both will kill - legality of the substance makes no difference...
...the difference in this case is that he was dealing the drug!
Agreed!
What should he be punished with though? Whether he is guilty of manslaughter is in my view debatable, the fact that he is definately guilty of intent to supply means that he could be sent down for a long time anyway!
As I said I'm not sure what punishment would be best and I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make that decision. I think he'll proabbly go down for it, and because of the intrest from the media he'll proabbly get a fairly long time!
Apart from thinking 'what a nob' for bringing up a child in that enviroment, I aso have to feel some pity for him.
Bopz
Who said he was dealing, nothing in that report about dealing
It says he was arrested "on suspicion of being concerned in the supply of controlled substances", which could just mean 'supply to his daughter'.
If I pass you a spliff, I can be charged with supply!
Where is the detail about dealing????
...and apart from the fact that sending him down would do very little for socieyt waste tax money, you're only going to fuck up the family even more than already!
Too be honest I don't see the point in a jail sentance!
right so you think its just a case of him giving them to his daughter - surely thats worse. i know if you pass someone a spliff, then in theory you can get done for supply, but we are hoping he didnt pass the pills to his daughter. Theyve named the man, and that doesnt generally happen without good reason.
It's important not to make asumptions about what happened, none of us were there and it's important to trust what's reported by the media. I'm sure the truth will come out in court and that's what matters!
Nop, can't see the report says that either. It's like Skive says, just because he had them, and his daughter took them, he could be charged with "on suspicion of being concerned in the supply of controlled substances".
Note the words 'being concerned in', rather than the more usual 'possession with intent to supply'.
Besides, one has to be very carefull judging from media reports, generally speaking they are far from accurate, inc. the BBC - I've had to correct them on reports relating to Cannabis Cafes on a number of occasions!
Sorry, the 'Nop' at the start of my posting should have gone into more detail;
Nop, I don't think its just a case of him giving them to his daughter - if it was that would be scary.
It sounds like a very sad accident, it will be interesting to see how things develop and what comes out as time goes on.