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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
As some of you know, I helped out at this summer camp. And a scenario made me wonder about kids and politics.

I sat next to these small boys, one was 6-7 and the other 8-9 years old, who were both from Israel (the mother of the small one was also sitting in the near).
Started talking with the "bigger" one out of them, and found out that he lives quite near my uncle in Israel, so I started talking with him about different places in the near of them... Then I asked him, if he still went to the mall which is nearby?
He didn't even answer my question before he started telling me about a carbomb he had seen, and a bomb near the school etc. I let him talk, and asked questions, as he obviously needed to get it all out.

The other little boy then started talking about some other bombs and the WTC and so. Then the mother interferes and says that we can not talk about it, as it will give bad dreams. She then told me in english, that the boys had left Israel and all the pressure there, and that they shouldn't be reminded of it here.

Well, the boys continued talking, and I didn't tell them to stop, I just didn't respond in order not to annoy the mother. Though she still blamed me.

Since then I have been wondering, is it wrong talking about this stuff with small childen? I mean, these boys clearly know what is going on, and as stated above they have had some bad experiences which they wanted to get out. But then again, was it wrong of me, for even going near the subject? At the time I didn't think of that at all, only about the fact that we went to the same places and so. Then the mall got up in conversation, and I asked if they still went... I didn't intend to get into that subject, but we did. Should i have skipped subject immdeately?

Do any of you guys believe that there are political (in this case terror and suicide bombers) issues/subjects which are not suitable for kids to hear about?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wouldnt have stopped them talking about it...Theyve gotta be told the truth about whats happening. If little kids see that kind of thing going on around them then they will be totally confused. Its the place of the adults around them to explain such things.

    Besides, even if there were prevented from talking about it, they will never get those things out of their heads and will always be thinking about them. Always better to talk about things than to keep them bottled up, especially with kids.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think kids should be told about just about everything, but to a certain extent. to a level that they comprehend and can handle. if parents, teachers, etc dont tell children, then they will learn it from their peers. truths end up distorted and kids can come away with completely wrong ideas and biases.

    so yeah, i think you can talk to a young child about the wtc in nyc...but in an age-appropriate manner.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I’m from NYC and I baby-sit, so naturally after 9/11, I wanted to know the children’s perspective about the event.

    Just a couple of weeks before 9/11, driving by the WTC I was telling some of them that those are the tallest buildings in NYC. Some of them had been in one of the towers with me before, but never to the top. They doubted me about how high they were so I told them that when school went on vacation, perhaps we’d go to the top of the towers to prove it.

    After 9/11 I wanted to know if they had made the connection between the buildings they saw in person and the ones they saw on TV. They didn’t.

    After seeing the towers in our skyline for so long, to them, they were just some random buildings, just like my apartment building.

    Living in an apartment, some of them were afraid to come to come to my home because there are always planes flying above and they were scared that one of them may crash into the apartment building. One of the children, after asking me how I got to her house, after responding by train she asked me if I wasn’t scared that I’d catch “Amtraks.”

    After speaking to them, I got very interesting responses and thought that I was doing a good thing by letting them speak their minds. Particularly with the children who were terrified, I wanted to let their parents know how they felt incase they didn’t know already.

    Most of the parents were like, “Yeah, I know, they told me” blah, blah, blah. One of the parents shocked me by getting very defensive saying, “She’s not stupid, she knows that it’s anthrax not Amtraks” etc. Instead of paying attention to the fact that every time her daughter entered a tall building, she was petrified, the mother was caught up on her daughter’s pronunciation of anthrax. As I was saying how afraid she is, the lady was on the verge of yelling at me like why are you asking my children these questions. You know, as if by asking her questions, I was exposing her to something she wasn’t exposed to—yet, she kept saying that her daughter understands everything that was going on.

    Different parents have different views, but I found that the ones who spoke about the issue had children who were a lot less scared.

    I think parents should expose their children to the political world around them. It is better when the parents expose them and break things down for them so that they could understand rather than have the child learn from the evening news and not quite being able to comprehend what is going on.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Kids knowing...
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    Do any of you guys believe that there are political (in this case terror and suicide bombers) issues/subjects which are not suitable for kids to hear about?

    Yeah, its always better to bring children up to be ignorant isn't it? :rolleyes:

    We need to educate our children about the real world, and I try to do this with mine. Sure you have to use language which they understand, and try to explain to them what is going on without too much bias. But, I'd rather that my boys learned from me, than from some nut out to emphasise his squewed view of the world, teaching them to hate.

    Besides, children aren't stupid. They'll work much of it out for themselves anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Kids knowing...
    Originally posted by Ilson-Youth



    :scared: Dont worry thantos, im not saying the states shouldnt' of retaliated against the taliban etc.., just sometimes theres an alternative route to take instead of car bombs...

    Gee... my name (or a misspelled version of it) comes up even when I had not commented upon a thread. :rolleyes:

    I rather doubt that "car bombs" have been employed by US forces against the Taliban. Not exactly how we do things... ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So much for innocence
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Kids knowing...
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN
    I rather doubt that "car bombs" have been employed by US forces against the Taliban. Not exactly how we do things... ;)

    No, you're far more obvious....:rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Speaking generally about if children should be given explanations of political events.

    I whole heartedly agree that kids should be told about these things, becasue if they're not told about them, and encouraged to discuss them, they wont ever get to the stage where they can make their own opinions...

    bringing me onto :

    How can one tell the children about these things and explain them satisfactorally without biasing their opinions on the matter with ones own opinions of the situation.

    This is the argument for leaving complex issues aside until the children (people) are old enough to make their own minds up, or at least not be so infuenced by the person telling them.
    Some things are too important to accept at a given face value.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Kids knowing...
    Originally posted by BumbleBee


    No, you're far more obvious....:rolleyes:

    You should prefer sending them trillions of dollars, attempting to bribe them into "playing nice"? Would follow form with your "society"... highest crime rate, least number serving sentences for their miscreant deeds... :rolleyes:

    Would appear that reality was hidden away from many of YOU, not only as younger children, but that you are still too immature to comprehend such complex issues as your people being murdered...

    YOU define the need to grow up.
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent


    Yeah, its always better to bring children up to be ignorant isn't it? :rolleyes:

    This forum would be prima facie that that would be the "Brit" way of things... ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Kids knowing...
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper


    Do any of you guys believe that there are political (in this case terror and suicide bombers) issues/subjects which are not suitable for kids to hear about?

    If they are old enough to ask the question, then they are old enough to be told they answer, with emotional and mental maturity factored into the nature of the answer given...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Because children are so young, they don't have many experiences to compare things to, for instance they might think that things like the WTC happen frequently. They have to be reassured that it doesn't happen all the time, and that it is ok to be scared, but it will be alright. When you talk to them you should try to put it into words that they will understand, on their level, and that will help them. You can't hide what is happening in the world from them, they will see the news and programmes on the tv, and also the pictures in the newspaper, so they will always have some idea of what is going on. However, if you don't talk to them about it and just let them think about what they have seen, their ideas will escalate into unnecessary fear, and they will be scared, making things worse.
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