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Crazy: If someone uses your belongings to commit a crime, it's your fault!
Indrid Cold
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10116606.stm
At least that's how it is about internet connections in Germany.
I wonder if it will also be somebody's fault if their car gets stolen and used to hit and kill someone else.
At least that's how it is about internet connections in Germany.
I wonder if it will also be somebody's fault if their car gets stolen and used to hit and kill someone else.
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However, I assume you wouldn't think the same about the example I used, with the car (please tell me if I'm wrong).
Therefore, we need to find out what the important difference between a car and a gun is.
I suggest it's that the gun's main purpose is to kill. Do you agree?
Well I would generally assume that a gun licence has certain obligations that come with it because it's intrinsically dangerous. Having said that, if another adult steals your gun, then no, you shouldn't be responsible for the actions they commit with it. But particularly on the wifi, what they're essentially doing is punishing ignorance. As if the average computer user nowadays knows how to set up one of these out of the box routers in a way that makes it impossible for anyone else to use.
OK, how about if I left my car with the keys in the ignition, and someone went joyriding in it and hit someone. Would my negligence have contributed to that persons death?
No, because you're passing blame.
I hate it, absolutely hate it when people try and blame someone else for their actions with the words "well if they hadn't done X I wouldn't have done Y". I totally disagree with the German ruling, if your actions help someone else commit a crime then fair enough. But your inaction? Or by making a mistake? I'm afraid not. If I left my car with the keys in the ignition and it got nicked then it's my own stupid fault. If the cock who stole it then ran someone over with it, well that person is a cock who shouldn't have stolen the car in the first place.
I can just imagine the court case
"yes, I left my keys in the car, someone borrowed it, comitted a crime with and returned it...."
People used to try that all the time, so now it's an offence to not identify the driver of a car. Whilst it may not be your fault, you have a legal obligation to identify the driver of a convieniently (for the purposes of avoiding prosecution) borrowed car.
If you honestly claimed you dont know, did you report it stolen?
Not necessarily. The offense is not "theft", which is the intention to permanently deprive the owner of the car, but "taking and driving away" - as in "Oh damn, it's raining and I'm going to get wet ... but, lo, here is a car with the keys in the ignition! I'll just drive home in it." The intention was just to use the car and abandon it. However, the owner must still report it as stolen to the police to get away with the speeding ticket.
Silly comment on my part, but thx.
If they borrowed it without your permission then they twocced it, in which case you have to make a formal complaint, which if you've made it up to stop from copping for a speeding ticket you're potentially sending an innocent man to court.
If you say someone did borrow it then the court won't accept your answer of "but I don't know who". You will then be prosecuted for obstruction or perjury, turning a £60 fine and points into a stay in prison.
But hey, thousands of people have tried it before you, but what do they know? Give it a go, who knows you may get lucky
At least with the WIFI thing you can honestly say you had no idea who was using it, although it would be wise to set up security next time.
I wouldn't try it - I'd consider it to be my negligence, and take responsibility.