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What a tit!

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Right, so someone i know from college has just joined the facebook group for Nick Griffin...not attacking him supporting him! i seriously doubt some people at the moment, hes old enough to vote which is all the more worrying!

so basically i asked why and this is pretty much how it went:

HIM joining the group
ME: Why dude? he's a racist twat
HIM: He's not racist, he thinks that britain should be british
ME: How is he not racist, he's predujudiced against ethnic minorties thus that makes him racist

Thats a shorten version of this all but OMG! how can people be so narrow minded about this all,

Whats your opinons on this and Nick griffin
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'll be honest. I disagree with how this country lets people in from other countries, and then willingly gives away houses and benefits, when there's British citizens in desperate need.

    I think we need a similar policy to Australia... you can come in if you have something to contribute i.e. a job/skill or coming over to study.

    I do agree, Britain should be British first and foremost. I'm not a racist but the situations gettin silly now and in times like these you have to think of no.1
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Does that mean we can kick out people who have no value too?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lexi99 wrote: »
    I do agree, Britain should be British first and foremost. I'm not a racist but the situations gettin silly now and in times like these you have to think of no.1

    What situation?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    don't get me wrong i agree we should have a similar system to austrilia but the fact that Nick Griffin whats to make this a purely "British" society is just plain wrong, he's a racist cunt and in no way should he be allowed near politics
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm just talking about letting people in who have nothing to contribute and just want to scrounge off our benefits!

    And its also actual citizens as well, people just take advantage of the system without getting of their asses to get a job
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I mean, what racial situation are you talking about, the one that made you give the disclaimer "I'm not a racist but..."?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well the fact that we're over populated and our system is being taken advantage of by people who are given more rights than those who were actually born here and have citizenship.

    I'm not saying we shouldnt help people but this is why we are so over populated, and towns are turning less and less British and more multi-cultural. I have a Latvian friend at uni and she said she came to Cambridge hoping to see a British town and instead its getting less and less British by the day.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're hilarious!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so all of britain might go british thats bad people who arnt brittish would get kicked out i.e me and my sis. I think it is a bit raciest comin 2 facts but thats life
    if there wasnt people from other places britain wood be poor britains not ever over crowded like some countries I.E bangladesh and more if we had no torist from other places I wouldn't be alouud hear some me family here hu are british wont get 2 c us.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thats fine but do your family have jobs? Looking to get jobs, doing something helpful? If so, thats fine, you're very welcome to stay.

    I'm not saying kick out everyone who isn't white and British I'm just saying that we need to have some limits as to who we let in.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    no my family don't have jobs or helping out they cbb we get the money sent to us all the way from bangladesh by my aunt and I disagree that britain should have limits to who is aloud in and who is not
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So we should allow all and sundry in and give them benefits and free houses when there are British citizens who perhaps cant work for whatever reason, just as much in need? I'd rather taxes go towards something helpful than paying for some layabout to live for free.

    Btw, since you get money sent to you thats fine because you arent scrounging off the system.

    Am I the only one here who thinks like this?

    EDIT: Just so you know I dont agree with Nick Griffin or the BNP, i think theyre far too extreme
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sigh
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    On a trivial note, a chance for me to use this picture, at last.

    20081120-lolgriffin-bnp-nick-griffin-pole.jpg

    See the brilliant Lolgriffin blog for more hilarity at the expense of Nicholas Griffin.

    On a more serious note. If people wish to support the BNP and Nick Griffin, that is their right. Similarly, it is my right to view the BNP as racist reptiles. (and somewhat Left-wing reptiles, at that, marking them far closer to the Nazi Party than they'd ever admit) Also, it is my right to express my personal view of Nick Griffin.

    Namely that I think he's a complete cunt.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ^^^
    This.
    Xx
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Similarly, it is my right to view the BNP as racist reptiles. (and somewhat Left-wing reptiles, at that, marking them far closer to the Nazi Party than they'd ever admit)

    Err, actually, Nazis are generally considered extreme right-wing: nationalism, belief in a ruling elite class, selective breeding through eugenics, etc. At the other end of the scale you have Communism, the extreme left wing: classless society, common ownership of property, democratic rule by the proletariat, etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I guess SG was referring to the Nazis being the National Socialist German Workers Party

    Admittedly the socialism was more about taking power from the church.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It depends what you mean as Left and Right Wing. In very narrow political terms fascism is right wing and communism left wing. But if you see the political spectrum as a circle rather than a straight line fascism and communism wouldn't be that far apart - certainly both would be further away from Labour and Conservative

    Also the BNP isn't economically right-wing - it believes in state protectionism, curbing the power of business, more funding for the NHS etc. In the leaflets they put through my door last election they had as their strap-line something like 'The BNP is the Labour Party your Parents voted for' (pitifully inaccurate in my case as my parents vote Ulster Unionist or sometimes Alliance in my Dad's case).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh, let me just add, my 15 year old cousin supports BNP... And when I pointed out to him that the majority of my family on my mothers side are french and some are hungerian, he told me to go back to my own country... To which I pointed out that we were born in the same hospital and I have never lived in France... And he told me I better start packing my things then, because the BNP were going to come into power soon and I'd have to leave. Thank fuck he isn't old enough to vote :p
    Xx
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Certain groups, who have an agenda, are keen to blur the lines on "all the foreigners" that come here.

    broadly speaking, we have immigrants, illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, and the ethnic minorities (who are the children of the first 3 groups)

    Immigrants - we only really allow immigration to those who are of use to us - they either have skills to do jobs tat the country is short on (doctors, engineers etc.) As such, they don't claim benefits, or get housing.

    Illegal immigrants. They do their best to keep off the radar, and are prepared to do the shit jobs for shit pay that the pure brit feels to be below them. As such, they don't claim benefits, or get housing.

    Asylum seekers. We don't allow these to work - to make sure they're not just trying to claim persecution in order to get a job over here. As such we really have no option but to house and feed them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My family are decended from posh french twats :rolleyes: My Nan is half hungerian (well, 3/4 but you know :p) and I think she moved here like just after she was born (she's 58) because her dad died a few years after the war from his injuries... And then it's my Great-Great grandad parents who were French, on my Grandads side...
    Anywho, I'm not 100% british, but then who is? If you go back far enough.
    Xx
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I always particularly enjoy that 'they' (I'm third generation immigrant, so kinda including myself in there) are both taking all 'our' jobs, and refusing to work and taking all 'our' benefits at the same time.

    :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lexi99 wrote: »
    Thats fine but do your family have jobs? Looking to get jobs, doing something helpful? If so, thats fine, you're very welcome to stay.

    I'm not saying kick out everyone who isn't white and British I'm just saying that we need to have some limits as to who we let in.

    We do have limits as to who we let in.

    If what you're concerned with is people scrounging off the system, rather than race, can we kick out all the white British people who were born here who scrounge off the system rather than working? Send them overseas somewhere? God knows there are plenty of them about.

    Big Gay makes a very important point about the need to distinguish between asylum seekers and economic immigrants though. They are two very distinct cases.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lexi99 wrote: »
    I'm just talking about letting people in who have nothing to contribute and just want to scrounge off our benefits!

    And its also actual citizens as well, people just take advantage of the system without getting of their asses to get a job

    but people cant just come over and claim benefits without contributing anything.
    If youre foreign, the only benefits you can claim are contributions based
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kaff wrote: »
    I always particularly enjoy that 'they' (I'm third generation immigrant, so kinda including myself in there) are both taking all 'our' jobs, and refusing to work and taking all 'our' benefits at the same time.

    :thumb:
    :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Err, actually, Nazis are generally considered extreme right-wing: nationalism, belief in a ruling elite class, selective breeding through eugenics, etc.
    The general consensus on the Nazis may be that they were an extreme right-wing party, but I believe that consensus is wrong in many ways. There were considerable elements from socialism and communism in the Nazi ideology. Not for nothing did they call themselves the Nationalist Socialist Party.

    Support for the BNP will only continue to rise whilst Labour, Tories and LibDems continue their collaborative silence on issues such as immigration. Whether it be Dave Chameleon, Jonah Broon or Nicholas Cleggover, they say as little as possible on the subject, partly to avoid the wrath of the Daily Mail from the right, or Pollyanna Toynbee, Charlie Brooker and various other smug Left-wing bastards.

    Nick Griffin may be a cunt, but he's a clever cunt. He knows his history. He knows that small parties such as his prosper when the leading parties are disconnected from the electorate on so many issues. Neither does it help when our Prime Mentalist talks about creating "British jobs for British workers" - something which has been exposed as a lie countless times.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What makes me wonder, is why, if people are in dure need of help and asylum, do because they travel all through europe, its presumably because of our fantastic benefits system.

    I dont blame people for wanting the best for their families and children, but wouldnt it make sense, and be cheaper for them to claim asylum from some other country. Instead of having such a long journey, including over water, just to get all the way here?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    What makes me wonder, is why, if people are in dure need of help and asylum, do because they travel all through europe, its presumably because of our fantastic benefits system.
    That may well be the perception, yes. Although it is something of a myth. Asylum seekers are often not allowed to claim any benefits whilst their claims are being processed - but for some bizarre reason, nor are they allowed to work here either. Highly perverse, I think.

    The only people who are doing well out of the current system are the traffickers, who can make up to £20,000 for every single person they manage to get into this country.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    What makes me wonder, is why, if people are in dure need of help and asylum, do because they travel all through europe, its presumably because of our fantastic benefits system.

    How do you know this? Or, what makes you think it as surely it's more obvious to consider cultural imperialism and language first?
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