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Hunt for Brittains Biggest paedophiles
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Hey everyone in the politics forum, after a long time away(due to certain members pissing me off) I have decided to return to have a good ol chat about, well, stuff.
So I decided that this would be something to talk about as I dont think it has been talked about and it would be interesting to hear what people think about it(apart from the obvious in that its sick!)
So did anyone see the program on BBC1?? I couldnt believe it when I saw it for A)How graphic it was and
The ages of children that were involved. I was horrified when I heard and saw the graphic pitures showing the children some below 2 years of age, being tortured, sexually abused, dressed up in bondage gear, etc. Another part that horrified me was the fact that one paedophile was video recording and also masturbating to kids playing on the street, watching them run, do hand stands. Just doing what we all did when we were young and what every kid does in there life.
What also shocked me was the fact that the UK has one of the largest paedophile units in Europe(dont get me wrong thats good) but the fact is that there is only 15 members of staff and there is an estimated 250,000 paedophiles in the UK alone. I dont think thats enough and something should be done. But then I would say, who would want a job like that!
The thing that disgusted me was the paedophile that was defending himself saying "the children are laughing at us, they know what they are doing". This showed me that this guy has got a serious problem, at first I thought it was purely for sexual kicks but then in a part of the documentary the police detective told how they gave one medication to stop him from getting aroused, but the paedophile still abused children. This then convinced me that they must have problems with their genes!!
What I must ask is, are there any female paedophiles, I havent seen one on TV nor heard of one, Just males. So could this mean that it could be a fault within one of the male genes????? I really dont know.
I also think that there is no point in wasting time sending these "things" to medical centres to let them talk about it and get councilling. They know what they are doing and they wont stop for anyone, it was blatantly obvious on the program. But then what should we do with them?? If I had my way they would be given lethal injection, this would be the only way of knowing that they wouldnt be able to do any harm to any more children!!
So whats your views peole, do you agree/disagree? Do you think I have over reacted due to the media coverage? What do you think should be done to combat this problem?????
I would also like to apologise if this has been discussed lately, I didnt do a search cos trying to do one with a 56K modem is a nightmare:(
So I decided that this would be something to talk about as I dont think it has been talked about and it would be interesting to hear what people think about it(apart from the obvious in that its sick!)
So did anyone see the program on BBC1?? I couldnt believe it when I saw it for A)How graphic it was and
The ages of children that were involved. I was horrified when I heard and saw the graphic pitures showing the children some below 2 years of age, being tortured, sexually abused, dressed up in bondage gear, etc. Another part that horrified me was the fact that one paedophile was video recording and also masturbating to kids playing on the street, watching them run, do hand stands. Just doing what we all did when we were young and what every kid does in there life.What also shocked me was the fact that the UK has one of the largest paedophile units in Europe(dont get me wrong thats good) but the fact is that there is only 15 members of staff and there is an estimated 250,000 paedophiles in the UK alone. I dont think thats enough and something should be done. But then I would say, who would want a job like that!
The thing that disgusted me was the paedophile that was defending himself saying "the children are laughing at us, they know what they are doing". This showed me that this guy has got a serious problem, at first I thought it was purely for sexual kicks but then in a part of the documentary the police detective told how they gave one medication to stop him from getting aroused, but the paedophile still abused children. This then convinced me that they must have problems with their genes!!
What I must ask is, are there any female paedophiles, I havent seen one on TV nor heard of one, Just males. So could this mean that it could be a fault within one of the male genes????? I really dont know.
I also think that there is no point in wasting time sending these "things" to medical centres to let them talk about it and get councilling. They know what they are doing and they wont stop for anyone, it was blatantly obvious on the program. But then what should we do with them?? If I had my way they would be given lethal injection, this would be the only way of knowing that they wouldnt be able to do any harm to any more children!!
So whats your views peole, do you agree/disagree? Do you think I have over reacted due to the media coverage? What do you think should be done to combat this problem?????
I would also like to apologise if this has been discussed lately, I didnt do a search cos trying to do one with a 56K modem is a nightmare:(
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Female paedophiles do exist, there was a big article about it in Marie Claire once.
Only 6% of those 250000 paedophiles are ever brought to court. Thats bloody awful.
But the programme really gave me the shivers, at some points I felt physically sick.
The thing about a paedophiles mentality, is that they believe that it is the kids who are after them and not the other way round. On this talk show this man was saying that HE was the one who was 'vunerable' :mad:
I also feel for the people and their families who are innocent and are accused of being a paedophile and then have to feel the wrath of the mobs. :mad:
I agree, the media can be benefical to people with a brain in making them aware of the dangers out there. It also can be a problem concerning people that dont have a brain and think they should take matters into there own hands even if they have no proof at all.
What do you think should be done with paedophiles???
Anyone else that wants to join in please do. Stop viewing the topic and take part
I was also really shocked with the drawings that the bastards got the kids to draw, with people having sex, what the fuck????
How can they describe the children they abuse as 'the hobby'?
I nearly cried when that woman listened to the phone call that a paedophile made to her when she was about 12, I can't imagine what that must have been like for her.
It's not really a controversial topic, so there's not much to discuss :rolleyes:
Personally I think its just a matter of time before paedophiles are accepted in the west. Its not a sickness and they cannot be treated. They are no more 'ill' or 'perverted' than gay or straight people. Paedophilia is merely a sexual preference, they dont have a choice about it, its just the way they are.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with paedophilia in itself. I dont agree with it myself, but different strokes for different folks. Its all personal preference, we dont get to choose who we are attracted to.
Remember that being a paedophile is not a crime, its only when they act upon their feelings that it becomes a crime. It just so happens that in order for a paedophile to act on their feelings, they must, by default, be abusing a child as children cannot consent.
Paedophiles in mind only, im not that bothered about.
Paedophiles who act on their urges are the problem cases that need to be dealt with...
Hows that?
I believe that quite a large number of paedophiles who act on their urges were abused as kids and while that is almost certainly a factor, i dont think its the main one for being a paedophile. Being abused as a kid may have an effect on the willingness to abuse and use violence but i dont see it as having an effect on their sexual preference.
Remember that there are probably a lot of paedophiles out there that we never hear of because they can control their urges. There are a lot of them who were not abused as kids..
Complicated issue and definately the nature-nurture thing...Personally id put it aboput 70/30 nature/nurture.
I disagree that paedophilia is simply a sexual preference. If that were the case, there wouldn't be such a link between abused children becoming abusers. And to say that paedophilia is not a crime until the urge is acted upon is a little simplistic. What about Gary Glitter - 'all' he did was look at pictures on his computer - not really active paedophilia, but I think most people agreed that he deserved to go to jail.
The link between abused children and abusers isnt to do with paedophilia. Thats just a cycle of abuse, sexual preference might not have much to do with it....There are certainly many, many more paedophiles that dont abuse, than those that do.
Looking at child porn is acting on urges in my opinion...By providing a demand for the pictures, they are producing someone who will abuse kids and supply the photos...
Not acting on urges would be confining it to their minds.
But I still disagree that paedophilia is simply another sexual preference - you would never expect a gay person to suppress their sexual feelings yet somehow you expect paedophiles to.
Perhaps you think that paedophilia should not be a crime?
Thats because gay partners can give their consent, child partners cannot. Even though these people may fancy children, they probably have enough morality to make sure they dont do anything about it...Homosexuals have been supressing their sexual urges for centuries, how many of them lived in the closet for years and years, even marrying and having kids.
Paedophilia is not a crime, sexual abuse/rape of children is a crime.
In fact, surely paedophilia is worse since it involves sexual abuse.
Theyre not...Paedophilia is just being attracted to children, it doesnt mean the sexual abuse of children although it can include that.
And I cannot believe I am the only one to be utterly disgusted at the thought of paedophilia.
I asked for your opinions, thoughts etc. which could be obviously seen in my first post with the use of question marks. Its not that hard a thing to do you know. Everyone else that has replied has been able to do it without any problems. Only you!
Not every topic has to be controversal in order for it to be discussed. I am getting the impression that your just trying to be a smart arse with the use of :rolleyes: at the end of your post.
If you are then fair enough, be my guest
Obviously you didnt read my first post, did you not see how I was disgusted by the program as well as go_away and nellyluver!!
Fantasies do come into it...Anyone who has a sexual fantasy involving sex with children is a paedophile.
You were the one who complained about no-one taking part :rolleyes:
From experience, I would say that it does.
Hardly. I was simply telling you why no-one was posting.
But I don't know why you've posted that now, because the discussion is now getting going :rolleyes:
Well yeah but we are talking theoreticals here...There are people out there like that though, there are people that are attracted to kids and who dont act on it in any way. Thats clear.
Thats a good point though, we cant know peoples fantasies, we cant know who is a paedophile in mind only...This means that we can worry about those who actually act on their urges...Unfortunately we cannot identify such people until they do act and destroy a childs life.
I agree with what your saying there, but I feel that there is not being enough done by the police to combat paedophiles that re-offend. Paedophiles are allowed to go and abuse numerous children before they are caught and thats even if they are wreckless in what they do.
I feel the special unit at New Scotland Yard seriously needs to employ new members to combat the serious problem. I feel that theres not being enough done.
There are two kinds of paedophile. Active and Passive.
The passive paedophile is no threat. For them it is all a fantasy, there is no contact and nor to they peruse pictures/videos.
The active paedophile is the one we should worry about. He is the one who abuses or (though the purchase of related pornography) promotes the sexual abuse of children. For these scum we really need to find some form of quarantine from society.
Question is what form?
I dont agree that they are no more ill or perverted than gay or straight people, I think they are no more ill or perverted than any rapist . as you said they must be by default abusing children as a child cannot consent. Its not like any other sexual preference as the object of their lust would be sexually immature and likely to be severely traumatised by the abuse, as it would always be non-consensual and the child would not even be physically capable of sex without injury. Its makes me want to cry to think that there are people who would want to hurt a child for their own sick pleasure.
I would also imagine that all "active" paedophiles start off with simular exciting fantasies as the difficult to detect "passive" ones. Therefore, any type of paedophilia is a potential danger as it could later lead to sexual abuse.
How many gay men hid their homosexuality and had sex with women for their entire lives back inthe days when it wasnt acceptable to be gay? People can keep their sexual urges under control.
Paedophilia is just the attraction to children, it is not the act of having sex with children. Its an important distinction.
MOK hit the nail right on the head.
But we wouldn't expect gay people to do that nowadays would we? Paedophilia and homosexuality or two entirely different things, and I think your comparison would be offensive to gay people. Do you honestly think paedophilia will one day become acceptable behaviour?
Paedophilia is sexual attraction to children. The distinction is only between those who have committed the act, and those who think about doing it. Not if you agree that "active" paedophiles start off as "passive" paedophiles. Then these so-called passives are not innocent at all - simply on their way to full-blown paedophilia.
Rubbish..Sorry mate but its not offensive in any way at all...I also compared to to heterosexuality remember..Its merely a sexual orientation, not an illness or a mental illness.
Er isnt that what i just said?
Thats just a massive assumption on your part and completely unprovable. Are you suggesting that every paedophile eventually abuses a child?
No, but I'm suggesting that they potentially might. "Active" paedophiles will start with the "passive" fantasies. Hence, passive paedophiles are still a serious potential danger. Paedophilia is plain wrong in any form (morally disgusting, even if it is "only a sexual preference"). Also, it is so serious that we can't afford for risks to be taken. All paedophiles should be "delbt with" (take this how you will) to avoid missing a potential "active" sexually abusing scum. Perhaps vigalance is the most essential part in fighting Paedophilia.