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My Computer is fucked

BillieTheBotBillieTheBot Posts: 8,721 Bot
Ive got a desktop, i came to find it totally locked up earlier, mouse and keyboard wouldnt work.

After a lot of humming and the sorts, i turned it off, its all i could do. Now it turns on, but wont output anything to the monitor, and while the orange light seems to show disc activity on the front, it doesnt seem to make its usual bleed a couple of seconds after ive turned the machine on.

Ive tried doing a disc check on both hdd that are in it, using an external usb enclosure for the drives, on another computer. No errors. Tried it with only one of the two sticks of ram, and then neither, tried everything, its fucked.

My basic question is, while the data on the hard disc is intact, would i be able to find and import my emails from outlook onto a new computer/laptop?

Any any suggestions on where to get a new machine?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You have no video output. If there are no beeps, then try clearing the CMOS(Google your motherboard for the correct instructions, it normally means moving a jumper next to the battery for a handful of seconds).

    If you still have no video output, then I'd suggest there is a component failure somewhere. Best place to start is to remove all expansion cards, and try powering on again. If still nothing, then disconnect the hard drives(data AND power cables), and try again. If still nothing, then remove the memory - if still nothing(not even any beeps), then you're likely looking at motherboard, PSU, or CPU failure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you can check that the graphics card is connected properly, it can come loose at times
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    My basic question is, while the data on the hard disc is intact, would i be able to find and import my emails from outlook onto a new computer/laptop?

    Yep that would be ok but depends also what protocol you use for your email i.e. if you use imap all messages are stored on the mail server anyway rather than downloading so you just set up outlook again and everything will come. If it's pop though it downloads and removes them from the server (by default).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you may have a corrupt dll file in which case if you're running Windows XP you can do a straightforward scan using your comp's CHKDSK.

    You can manually run the chkdsk command to check for most problems.

    To do this, follow these simple steps: :)

    Step One: Click Start, select Run

    Step Two: In the box, type cmd

    Step Three: Click Ok

    Step Four: Run the chkdsk utility by typing in the following command:

    chkdsk c:

    ..or

    chkdsk c: /f /r

    NOTE: The /f command automatically fixes any errors encountered, the /r command locates bad sectors and recovers readable information.

    NOTE: I am also assuming the drive you wish to check is the C: drive.

    Step Five: A reboot is normally required for the chkdsk program to lock the disk and run correctly (this is typical on machines that have only one volume), so simply restart the computer and chkdsk will run automatically. When it's finished, (This process can take quite a while depending on the size of your disk, etc.), it will boot back to normal Windows.



    Love Poppi
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Alternatively, if you're running Vista, try this website that is excellent.

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67612-check-disk-chkdsk.html
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you've saved your emails from outlook, they'll most likely be saved as .pst files. IF that's the case then surely you can recover those files.

    As for the second question, what are you looking for in a machine?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you may have a corrupt dll file in which case if you're running Windows XP you can do a straightforward scan using your comp's CHKDSK.

    I would guess it's a hardware failure because the system isnt POSTing (or at least not successfully). The process of diagnosing and repairing is fairly straightforward but
    a) quite time consuming
    b) requires a certain level of working knowledge about how the components fit together and interact

    My guess would be the power supply has degraded and cant supply good volts (which caused the crash in the first place) but thats just speculation. Could be motherboard.

    As to where to get a new machine, ebuyer.com is good, if you have money to throw about scan.co.uk are very good (but pricey), and finally if you look through dell's website you can probably find a few offers that make the systems very economical.

    But as for getting the data off the hard drive, thats pretty straightforward, you just need to remove it and plug it in. If you get a laptop (assuming you have a desktop now) you will need either an external caddy or a little extender to plug it in but it will work :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor (2.40GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 8MB Cache)
    Genuine Windows Vista (R) Home Premium
    3GB Memory
    500GB Hard Drive
    Multi-Format Dual Layer DVD Re-Writer
    256MB nVidia GeForce 7050 Graphics
    4 USB Connections
    18-In-1 Card Reader

    £399.99

    Thing is, im pissed off nowhere does xp anymore :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Intel® Core? 2 Duo E4600 Processor (2.40GHz,800MHz,2MB cache)
    Genuine Windows Vista? Home Premium with Service Pack 1, 32-bit - English

    4096MB 800MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [4x1024]
    320GB (7200rpm) SATA Hard Drive
    256MB ATI® Radeon? HD 3650 graphics card
    DVD +/- RW Drive (read/write CD & DVD)
    Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio
    19-in-1 Media Card Reader
    Microsoft® Works 9.0 - English
    1Yr Limited Warranty - Collect & Return

    £389.01 (that includes delivery)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You can still buy W.XP but get it sent from the US. With the US Dollar at an all time low you can get a bargain.

    http://www.bizrate.com/operatingsystems/product-line--windows-xp/products__att247--222241-.html
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ..... and there is hope, still. Try Amazon.co.uk

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Windows-XP-Home-Service-Pack/dp/B00061H588


    Poppi
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There should be a way of recovering your e-mail folders for outlook as long as the hard drive itself is working and you're using an external cabinet for that HD on another computer.

    Look for the dbx and mbx files, it should suffice to copy these to the new computer in order to save your e-mails.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Try vista for a month and if you can't stand it go back to XP. Speaking as someone who spends a lot of time around computers - Vista isn't the best OS out there but it is an improvement on XP in a lot of ways. I never understood why people would opt for XP instead of Vista, you can turn all the visual candy off if you prefer it that way, at the end of the day its just windows xp with nice things like integrated search and if you plug something in, the drivers will just install, instead of having to download them like on XP.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    Thing is, im pissed off nowhere does xp anymore :(

    Doesn't matter. You already own XP, which you can transfer onto your new computer. The Windows EULA allows you to return Vista for a full refund if you don't agree to it.

    http://blog.danieldk.org/post/2008/01/26/Dell-refunds-Vista-and-Works-license-fee
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=247844
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So in theory even with a completely different motherboard and computer etc, i could install xp on it if i dont like it?

    And even though vista comes as an oem bundle, i could get my money back off it>?

    The only thing is, the machine i like the look of, has 3gig of ram, and i dont think xp will take it, i dont think i would mind vista, would just take a bit of getting used to thats all.

    Im going for the £399.99 quadcore
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor (2.40GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 8MB Cache)
    Genuine Windows Vista (R) Home Premium
    3GB Memory
    500GB Hard Drive
    Multi-Format Dual Layer DVD Re-Writer
    256MB nVidia GeForce 7050 Graphics
    4 USB Connections
    18-In-1 Card Reader

    £399.99
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just please dont hate me when i tell you where its from.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    The only thing is, the machine i like the look of, has 3gig of ram, and i dont think xp will take it

    XP can in theory handle up to 4GB of Ram, although its hardware dependant. I have never seen a case where 3GB is too much tho.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If i dont end up getting used to vista, i can always go and throw xp on it at some point in the future!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, but once you've used it, you'll be unable to claim a refund on it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Both XP and Vista can only hold up to ~4GB of RAM, unless you go 64-bit, but that's beyond the scope of this thread.

    That machine would be able to handle Vista Home Premium no sweat, save for maybe the integrated graphics card being your bottle-neck. It would handle XP better most likely, but it's doubtful you'll see any real difference.

    Vista is something to get used to if you're not used to it however. It's kind of like XP with Mac "simplicity"... but with copious amounts of methamphetamine and LSD. Microsoft kind of made a bit of failure with that one seeing how Vista is so system intensive and user intrusive. But you have to give them the benefit of the doubt as they figured predominantly mothers and children were going to be using the machine, and they were right.

    ETA: If you try Vista, hate it, and want XP but can't claim a refund as Click said, shoot me a PM.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well i emailed the retailer and they said that the system does come with 3gb of ram, and does have a spare slot. Though they said that due to the 32bit architecture of the system, that it would only be able to handle 3gb of ram, no more.

    Then i rang them up and explained that if i bought a graphic card from them (that i can get 64bit vista drivers for, and subsequently disabled the onboard graphics, along with the processor it comes with, asked if i should be able to install vista 64bit, and they said "we dont see why not"

    So i think im going to go for it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    or download xp from mininova
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    Well i emailed the retailer and they said that the system does come with 3gb of ram, and does have a spare slot. Though they said that due to the 32bit architecture of the system, that it would only be able to handle 3gb of ram, no more.

    Then i rang them up and explained that if i bought a graphic card from them (that i can get 64bit vista drivers for, and subsequently disabled the onboard graphics, along with the processor it comes with, asked if i should be able to install vista 64bit, and they said "we dont see why not"

    So i think im going to go for it.

    Does the onboard graphics not have 64 bit driver support? I'm using x64 and pretty much every popular graphics chipset is supported. Except some old ones, but if you're buying a new system...

    As for the 3gb issue thing, its not that it wont support it, its just
    because in order to use hardware and memory and stuff like that everything gets given an address in the computer. Think of like how every website has an IP address. So every bit in your memory (3gb = 3 * 8 billion bits) has an individual address. Depending on how much hardware you have, 32bit runs out of address space coming up to 4gb memory, so it just cant use the last bits, but it will still work fine and be detected fine.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Got the new machine, its sexual.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    With a 32-bit operating system you get a maximum of usually 2GB of address space, not memory, per application.

    Multiple applications can use more than this amount of address space combined.

    This is because the address is stored in 32 bits but one bit is usually a signed bit so it actually works out as half of this amount that is genuine address space. Or it may be because the kernel uses up a certain amount of your address space.

    Generally you should store most of your data and installation applications on an external drive. Then if you change your computer you just plug the drive in and can reinstall the programs from the installation applications.

    You can change the location of things like "My Documents" etc. and where outlook stores your e-mails.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you do get a PC with Vista, not all programs/drives will work on it. Unless they've finally released drives for older programs. (saying that, Champ Manager 2007 was released after Vista and it never worked on my PC)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You can run programes with an xp sp2 compatibility!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote: »
    You can run programes with an xp sp2 compatibility!
    Not everything works this way, and the drivers especially won't. I tried to use my (fairly new) epson printer on vista, only to find I could print but not see how much ink was remaining. I ended up installing XP on another machine just to be able to use the printer. Compatibility mode just led to crashes!
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