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Government set to defy its own experts and upgrade cannabis again· Smith to cite concern over drug's increased strength
· But survey of GPs shows no links to mental illness
They were also told that the incidence of new schizophrenia cases reported to GPs had gone down, not up, between 1998 and 2005, indicating a weak link between increased potency and use in the past two decades and mental health problems.
Labour just lost thousands more votes ...they on drugs or what?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/may/07/drugsandalcohol.drugspolicy?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
· But survey of GPs shows no links to mental illness
They were also told that the incidence of new schizophrenia cases reported to GPs had gone down, not up, between 1998 and 2005, indicating a weak link between increased potency and use in the past two decades and mental health problems.
Labour just lost thousands more votes ...they on drugs or what?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/may/07/drugsandalcohol.drugspolicy?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
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Hope this don't drive up prices or something else equally as fail.
Idiots.
The issue seems to be not with the higher strengths, but with the cannabis containing largely THC and less CBD. I've heard that some scientists are suggesting that the CBD helps reduce paranoia and other unwanted side effects which could lead to mental health problems.
Thing is ...no evidence again of mental health issues.
If this is how the government react to expert opinion who will trust them ...how can wetrust them ...there is a serious trust issue here.
Young people again being the victims of government lies and deception over drugs. This happened in 1968 with the Wooton report ...young people read the report ...saw how the government reacted ...didn't believe anything they said about drugs.
This is not just iresponsible but dangerous.
"As discussed in our previous reports, there is clear evidence that the use of cannabis may worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia and lead to relapse." ACMD report 2008
And there does seem to be a link between early heavy use of cannabis in people with a pre-disposition and mental health problems. But its not clear;
"The Council concluded that the evidence supports a causal association between the use of cannabis, in adolescence, and the later development of schizophrenia; although the evidence for this relationship is clearly more complicated than when it considered this previously. The Council also considered that the evidence supporting a dose-response relationship was more persuasive than previously. The Council remains uncertain about whether early cannabis use, before the age of 15 years, is associated with an additional increased risk." ACMD 2008
And as I have said before, I'm not saying cannabis makes you mad, but there does need to be research and heavy use of cannabis while young could present a risk. And even aside from the mental health risk heavy use of drugs while young isnt a good idea.
Is that not like saying that chocolate is bad for diabetics? Or peanuts seem to have a "detrimental effect" on those with peanut allergies?
Yes, I suppose in a way it is. But then it seems that Rollys position is that cannabis is safe for everyone to use and its never been known to cause mental health problems in anyone.
What i am saying is there is a lack of evidence still but the government don't tell people that. The government continue to pump out the 1920's
'marijuana madness' theme which then as now seems to be the permanent government message with any lack of proper evidence ...as we have said before ...if it's in any way dangerous then such a powerful substance should be taken out of the hands of villains.
No matter how much scientific evidence is thrown at the government it is always ignored ...has been since the India comission in Victorian times.
She said the charity wants the Government to make it compulsory for warnings about cannabis to be put on packets of rolling paper.
She said: "We have written to every single rolling paper company we can think of, asking them to do this as a voluntary measure and they have all said no.
"What we really want is health education. The Government promised a massive public education campaign three years ago. We have seen none of that.
"When you look at smoking, they have put millions into that and it's made a difference."
Warnings on skins! You gotta laugh ...
I agree with you there, but then governments have been using foggy science for their own ends for years, its not just the drugs issue.
And I totally agree with you in terms of the harm, the law as it stands offers no control and no protection. Legal supply would really help with quality control and education.
As to how harmful cannabis is more broadly, I dont think the scientific opinion has changed that much, for most moderate users they wont suffer any problems. But evidence does seem to be leading us towards risk groups and certain triggers.
As for warnings on rolling papers, why not?
Also the government were warned that there were no real need in terms of risk to make it class B again, but sure they never listen anyway.
Saying what? "Some research suggests that marajuana may trigger mental health problems among a small minority of people after extended use for a number of years from a young age?" Not quite as snappy as "smoking kills" is it? They haven't even managed to come up with a decent one to put on alcohol yet, never mind papers.
Well 'Smoking Kills' might be a good place to start, rolling papers are rarely used for anything else.
Exactly, who cares what class it is, if you wanna get stoned, your going to get stoned regardless.
This is a good point. When an element of truth is mixed up with bullshit and you can the bullshit clearly, you ain't going to believe a word of it.
And if the problem is increased levels of THC...legalise and regulate the strength of what can be sold! Not that is a problem in the first place, any more than spirits cause the problems with alcohol.
I remember in Manchester in the early eighties huge billboards about heoin and what it does to you.
PIcture of a guy sitting on the floor with arrows pointing to his head his feet etc ...headaches ...stiff joints ...nausea ...next to a whites whiskey advert. Some wag redirected all the arrows to the bottle of whiskey ...and rightly so.
All this education malarky is ok ...if your going to tell the truth which is rarely the case.
classification of any drug as A, B or C or whatever has no real bearing on its use, only on Society's sanctions against its use. Banning anything has never stopped it, in fact, the reverse happens as users and suppliers seek ever more inventive means to procure and pedal the items, and allows criminal intent in to the farmyard ... look at prohibition in America !
as for the deletrious effects of cannabis, not being a smoker myself, I do have 'acquantancies' who have used this since their teens. now, in middle age, there is an obvious deteriaration in mental faculties and an increase in paranoia that 'The Man' is 'out to get them' ..... but no more so than those friends who have abused alcohol, but without the violence that alcohol engenders.
warnings on papers will have as much effect as those on tobacco to people like me, who considers myself reasonably intelligent ... ie. diddly squat !
If i sit here typing this message with a gun under my desk ...i could understand getting five years.
There are probably close to five million tokers in the UK ...i would encourage all of them to sack the Labour perty by email ...'sending out a message'?
Big companies are poisoning you with it.
Should it be class A?
Except Kings.
They are adding lots of salt because the public got scared of artificial preservatives, which given you have to use a lot less are probably better for you.
Things like salt, caffine, sugar, alcohol and antidespressents are seen as harmless when in some cases they can do more damage than drugs. It sounds like we're picking certain things to label as dangerous and evil so we can focus on that and not the damgae we're doing to ourselves with things that are part of our everyday lives.
It should be up to the individual to manage the risks of things based on things like their health, lifestyle and the health of parents and grand parents, rather than up to the government to decide some things are safer than others based on how much tax they get from it.
Yes and no. I certainly wouldnt want the government to let us decide what food additives are safe and which arent - I have no idea and the food companies wouldnt give us all the proper information.
In terms of our diets and drug use (including alcohol and tobacco) people should be given clear and truthful advice from the government, but in the main we should be able to make our own choices.
I know what you measn ...i've realy cut down on the baccy cos cannabis is a lot healtheir for me.
Word is coming in that the class b is working ...everyone under forty has stopped smoking the stuff!
Yes and no. Cannabis does seem to have more tar in it, but then commercial tobacco has all sorts of strange chemicals in it.
If cannabis was made legal ...you'd have to grow your own realy cos you just know the baccy companies would put all manner of crap in there for whatever reason ...possibly nicotine ...get you hooked.