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Sarah's Law? Bring it on! But not too strong...

Not my message, but that of the Government. According to the Beeb;

"Parents may get new powers to check if people with access to their children have paedophile convictions. The scheme could be rolled out across England and Wales if trials in four regions are successful. It will allow single mothers to ask police whether a named individual - such as a carer or new partner - has child sex convictions. Campaigner Sara Payne said the scheme was a step in the right direction but she still wants full disclosure. Family members or neighbours who regularly look after children could also be checked under the new proposals."

For years, the News of the World has been campaiging for the introduction of Sarah's Law. The above proposal looks like a slightly watered-down version of what Sarah Payne's family have wanted to see all along. Ironically enough, the plans were confirmed by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, in an article she wrote for today's News of the World. I can't find the full article on their website, and there's no way I'm going to be seen dead buying a copy of the News of the Screws, or "Boobs, Bums & Cunts", as my deceased grandfather used to call it.

Okay, what do you think of all this? I think it's a pretty bad idea, to be honest. I really don't see what need there is to give the public these sorts of powers. Checking whether teachers haven't got convictions for paedophilia is one thing, letting everyone make checks like this at a whim is quite another. It also, in typical New Labour style, is designed to make us all more suspicious of one another. Whatever happened to trusting someone?

Over to you, ladies and gentlemen of the P&D jury...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Someone on our street came round because the ex husband of one of the ladies on our street was charged with downloading child pornography. He wasn't even living there anymore ffs, they'd split up. But this self righteous woman was knocking on everyones door at 11pm at night warning us all. People react hysterically to this kind of thing under the best of circumstances. I don't think feeding people's hysteria will help anyone.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BAD idea.

    The fact the NOTW have been campaigning for this speaks wonders.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I saw a little bit of this on the news, and it all sounds very unnecessary to me. I agree in principle to parents being able to know about who they're leaving their kids with, and I know that most child abuse happens in the home. But it's not difficult to find a childminder who you know has been checked by the relevant authorities. My sister used to babysit all the time, because she was asked to by parents of children at the nursery she worked at.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    urm, I'm not too sure.

    I read the book on this a good year or two ago and I came to the vague conclusion of, if Sarah's parents would have known that there was a peodofile in the area, might they have been a bit more careful about letting her out? Might she still be alive now?

    Surely if it's going to save one more child's life from the hands of a sicko it is worth it?

    (though you might change my mind!)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    *Ashlee* wrote: »
    Surely if it's going to save one more child's life from the hands of a sicko it is worth it?

    And is it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And is it?

    If you knew that there was some sicko living down the road from you, would you let your child play out on the street without you with them? I certainly wouldn't. Yet if I was unaware of the sicko down the street then yes, I don't see why I wouldn't let them out.

    I just think children are so limited with their freedom nowadays because parents are so scared at who/what is out there. By the parent knowing who and what is out there, in their local area is it not going to give children get a bit more freedom back and get back to the way it was and should be with kids out and about and parents not sat at home shitting themselves?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As long as we have paediatricians getting attacked, and the pretence that the the police and whoever it is that follows up these cases, are doing their job, then i don't really see how this helps. It's got vigilantism written all over it.

    A light-hearted take on things
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Surely this law is missing point? I do not want to know that a convicted child rapist is living down the road from me, or has applied for a job....I want to know that they are behind BARS!

    People convicted of Paedophile offences should spend the rest of their life behind bars. They are worthless pathetic individuals who by their actions forfeit their right to freedom.

    Keeping the vile scum locked up would mean laws such as this are not necessary and our children would be safer.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    *Ashlee* wrote: »
    If you knew that there was some sicko living down the road from you, would you let your child play out on the street without you with them? I certainly wouldn't. Yet if I was unaware of the sicko down the street then yes, I don't see why I wouldn't let them out.

    I just think children are so limited with their freedom nowadays because parents are so scared at who/what is out there. By the parent knowing who and what is out there, in their local area is it not going to give children get a bit more freedom back and get back to the way it was and should be with kids out and about and parents not sat at home shitting themselves?

    But people probably live near enough to a sec offender or a relative of a sex offender to start worrying, so we end up with the result that kids are no longer allowed to play out.

    I read an article last year in the Leicester Mercury - so not scientific - but it compared a child, his father, and his grandfather and how far they were allowed to play from home, with a graph representing it. The child? To the end of his street. The father? All over his local town / village / suburb. The grandfather? All over the county, near enough. And he had to walk everywhere.

    My dad was the same when he lived in Ireland, they literally would just go wherever without their parents worrying.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Infidel wrote: »
    People convicted of Paedophile offences should spend the rest of their life behind bars. They are worthless pathetic individuals who by their actions forfeit their right to freedom. Keeping the vile scum locked up would mean laws such as this are not necessary and our children would be safer.
    Try to bear in mind that not everyone who's on the sex offenders register is a paedophile. There's a larger range of offences which you can end up on there for, as some of the more legally-aware members of this board can confirm.
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    My dad was the same when he lived in Ireland, they literally would just go wherever without their parents worrying.
    Yes, but that's because people seemed to believe that paedophilia didn't come into existence until the 1960s. Much the same as the idea present for many years that smoking was good for you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    *Ashlee* wrote: »
    If you knew that there was some sicko living down the road from you, would you let your child play out on the street without you with them? I certainly wouldn't. Yet if I was unaware of the sicko down the street then yes, I don't see why I wouldn't let them out.

    I just think children are so limited with their freedom nowadays because parents are so scared at who/what is out there. By the parent knowing who and what is out there, in their local area is it not going to give children get a bit more freedom back and get back to the way it was and should be with kids out and about and parents not sat at home shitting themselves?

    But people probably live near enough to a sec offender or a relative of a sex offender to start worrying, so we end up with the result that kids are no longer allowed to play out.

    I read an article last year in the Leicester Mercury - so not scientific - but it compared a child, his father, and his grandfather and how far they were allowed to play from home, with a graph representing it. The child? To the end of his street. The father? All over his local town / village / suburb. The grandfather? All over the county, near enough. And he had to walk everywhere.

    My dad was the same when he lived in Ireland, they literally would just go wherever without their parents worrying. (though some protestant teenagers hung him over a railway bridge when he was 6, so maybe in areas with religious tensions a little caution is ok)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    But people probably live near enough to a sec offender or a relative of a sex offender to start worrying, so we end up with the result that kids are no longer allowed to play out.
    Disagree. I think we're more likely to end up with vigilante groups roaming the streets. Cast your mind back a couple of years. The News of the World started to name and shame paedophiles who were living out in the community. However, they somehow managed to confuse the word "paedophile" with "paediatrician". As a result, this happened. Mind you, Rebekah Wade, the newspaper's editor at the time, hasn't suffered in such a way. In 2003, she was moved to edit Murdoch's daily tabloid, The Sun, which she still edits to this day.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cant see it'll do any good. The whole thing is just a modern day witch hunt. The problem is that people can travel, and there's nothing to say that just because there's no sex offender in the local community one wont take a day trip, thus negating the issue of whether or not kids should be allowed to play outside.

    They should just lock paedophiles and rapists up, and keep them locked up. I think its a bit silly to assume that people who are into violent or perverted stuff just suddenly realise their wrongs and are "cured". Obviously not all people on the sex offenders register are there for those reasons, but those who are should stay behind bars.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would ignore a law that told me who I could and couldn't leave my child with. Would that be only blood relatives, on the maternal side, otherwise, how the fuck do you know they're even related to you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Watered-down or not this is a stupid move that is only going to succeed in blood-baying pitchfork mobs hounding every "oddball" in the neighbourhood, and driving actual sex offenders underground and off the radar.

    Apparently some people are not aware that a paedophile is capable of travelling between areas. How is this law going to protect parents from nonces living 10 miles away?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think there is a childminding certificate but most people just tend to leave their kids with the neighbour because you can give em £10 for the night vs. £7 per hour or whatever. I dunno. I know there is some kind of certificate you can get though, I've got friends who have something like that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    official childminders are certified by the gov and if you use them and claim tax credits, you can claim 75% of your expenses back, so it doesn't work out more expensive than the neighbour really, it's the hours that can be difficult to find.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps if they actually funded the probation service properly then professionals could look after those being released from prison - that is their job after all.

    Instead of course the government is gradually running the probation service into the ground so they can get private companies to do it. Group 4 looking after sex offenders anyone?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    J wrote: »
    I think by law you should only be able to leave your child with a registered child minder who's already been checked out in order to get their childminder registration - or a family member. This way it would protect the person from abuse who's commited the offence becuase nobody other than the childminding agency would need to know. They would simply be denied a childmindin license. I think this would also be beneficial to the child in other ways. Things like infant first aid could be a requirement of the childminding certificate and would mke the whole affair much safer.

    I don't think the government is the only thing responsible for protecting kids. I think parents have a right to leave their kid with who they want and trust. I got dropped off at the neighbour's a few times and nothing ever happened to me.

    Plus, a lot of abuse is actually from family members. The whole "stranger abducting your kid" thing isn't all that common, thats why its news. The media picks up on uncommon things like strangers abducting kids because its rare. If they did articles on every kid who was abused by a family member, teacher, or other person with a qualification in childminding, the newspapers wouldn't have space for any other news. Sad but true
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    Watered-down or not this is a stupid move that is only going to succeed in blood-baying pitchfork mobs hounding every "oddball" in the neighbourhood, and driving actual sex offenders underground and off the radar.

    totally agree.
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