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Why does the US get away with this?
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Discrimination against HIV+ visitors
If the US isn't 'required' to provide such information we shouldn't be...
And if the US is going to insist on keeping company with Saudi Arabia and Iran with backward and discriminatory entry policies we should respond - a £200 tax on every passenger flying to Florida would do the trick... the Americans wouldn't just sit back and watch the destruction of Florida's tourist reliant economy.. If the Americans can discriminate against HIV+ people I don't see why we shouldn't discriminate against people who want to Florida by putting them off with a tax.
Under current US immigration law, any foreign national who tests positive for HIV is "inadmissible," meaning he is barred from permanent residence and even short-term travel in the United States.
United States is one of 13 countries in the world, including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan, which ban travel for individuals who are HIV-positive.
In July the European Commission quietly approved an agreement which gives the DHS unprecedented access to the personal information of anyone on a transatlantic flight, including details of their sexual orientation.
The DHS insists on the right to use the information for disease control, and there are fears that gay passengers may be singled out as possible HIV risks.
The plans involve upgrading information which is already sent by airlines to the DHS on the 4-million-plus Britons who visit the US every year, including payment details, home address and the passengers in-flight meal choice.
The agreement adds 19 possible new categories, including information on ethnic origin, political and philosophical opinions, credit card numbers, trade union membership, sex life and details of the passengers' health.
The information will be provided by passengers when making bookings.
The US is not required to provide this information about its citizens.
If the US isn't 'required' to provide such information we shouldn't be...
And if the US is going to insist on keeping company with Saudi Arabia and Iran with backward and discriminatory entry policies we should respond - a £200 tax on every passenger flying to Florida would do the trick... the Americans wouldn't just sit back and watch the destruction of Florida's tourist reliant economy.. If the Americans can discriminate against HIV+ people I don't see why we shouldn't discriminate against people who want to Florida by putting them off with a tax.
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Hey we discriminate against everyone. We are an equal oppotunist discriminating country:D ...Are you forgetting who runs out country? bunch of imbeciles with the combined IQ of an hairy ass.
Why punish the tourists, surely you should be calling for reciprocal measures
That comparison is totally false, someone with the plague would be quite likely to infect someone on the plane or while they were in the US. Someone with HIV is not inherantly infectious.
You mean ban HIV+ visitors? Why should we stoop to the same level as Saudi Arabia, Sudan - and the US? This is an issue of discrimination - and it should be ended: banning HIV+ US visitors would never achieve that, the US wouldn't give a toss... The prospect of Florida's tourist industry being wrecked on the other hand would almost certainly make them listen.
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:yes:
Let's see how long they keep the ban.
Does anyone still believe that the EU is anything but a waste of time and money?
Because wouldn't that be childish? If we've got standards we should stick to them. This is only going to put people going off to the US whether they have HIV or not.
First Australian health experts suggest that fat passengers should pay more to fly, then New Zealand authorities ban a British woman from entering the country because she was too heavy. Outrageous.
bottomline is this! can't we all just get along? lol:D :thumb:
Fair comment about the reciprocal measures, I still think the idea of penalising tourists to the US as being fair. When my Father lived in the States I regularly visited. Paying extra would not have stopped me going just made my life more difficult and expensive.
The other thing is Britain is not exactly innocent when it comes unfair measures against foreign tourists so we are once again in no position to complain too much about the Yanks.
You mean the tarrifs where we decided not to take the US offer the exemption out of solidarity with the EU... (Not that it mattered virtually no UK steel gos to the US)
Incidentally if virtually no British steel goes to the US why was the association of British Steel manufacturers so grateful to the European Union?
I don't think its childish to stand up for yourself. Obviously try reasoning with them first, if not harsher tactics may be needed. And the fact that it will put people off travelling is cold comfort - as one other poster pointed out, some people have family in America. This is going to make their lives difficult when all they want to do is visit their relations.
Why antagonise people with whom your negotiating on environmental measures?
The only reason politicians like the EU is that it helps them out. It's self-interest.
Say that you're a failed Labour politician, nicknamed Mandy, who's been sacked twice from the cabinet... what more natural a route to take than become an EU commissioner?