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Creationist theme park on its way to Britain
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It's hardly going to compete with Alton Towers is it?
£3.5m would just about cover the cost of buying one attraction
It seems that if creationists can't establish a presence in our schools' science classrooms they will find other ways regardless...
I simply feel sorry for any child who gets taken to such place.
http://www.noahsarkzoofarm.co.uk/education/
Well it does seem boring as fuck compared to going to a decent theme park...
But the creationists have lost the battle, and have done years ago. I can't see how its going to make the slighest difference apart from a few millionaires (or possibly just one) loosing lots of money on a theme park. It'll only be visited by creationist families, and they're already going to be teaching their children their beliefs.
Well quite. Doesn't mean the taxpayer should be supporting it though. Tbh, I don't have a problem with it in the sense that kids know what they see at Disneyland isn't really real. What I wouldn't like to see over here is the opening of creationist "museums" like they have in America, because I would consider the use of the word museum to be false advertising, since it suggests a factually-based experience. And considering the hissy-fit these people threw about gay people using the word marriage, I think they ought to be sensitive to the use of semantics. Although religious fundamentalists like this always tend to be very good for the secular cause.
lol
To be honest... This is the UK, not America. Who he fuck is gonna go to a religious theme park?
I am not sure whether you have children or not, Aladdin, but would you educate your children with a balanced view on religion and atheism so that they can make up their own minds - uninfluenced by your atheist viewpoint? Probably not. I would imagine your household would be staunchly atheist throughout, thereby unwittingly affecting any 'personal choice' that they might have when they are older.
I think that as long as these religion is kept out of schools and politics, then parents are (mostly) entitled to bring their children up in their beliefs (the fact that they are currently over-involved is a different debate).
Yes, there are a number of religious fundamentalists in most religions that tar everyone with the same brush, but most Christians are ok people, just as most followers of other religions are.
If they want to go to a Christian theme park, good for them. Rather that than having feral children running around causing mayhem because there is nothing better to do.
Beats teaching the children religion, in my view.
But is that is YOUR idea of rationality and common sense? There are many highly intelligent people out there who do (for whatever reason) believe in a higher being.
If you were able to bring your children up without influencing them with your atheism (highly unlikely, in my opinion) and they happened to choose religion later in life, would you consider them 'irrational' and without 'common sense'?
p.s. I am agnostic myself (although leaning towards atheism these days) so haven't got a 'religious drum' to beat, by the way
I wouldn't worry about it too much. I suspect it'll fall flat on its face and hopefully the AH Trust will realise we're just not as credulous towards fairy-tale nonsense here in the UK.
Yes. I'd still love them though- nobody is perfect.
I'd agree - I imagine the Charities Commission will be looking quiet closely at this as a theme park seems to go way beyond the remit of a charity.
It's an interesting argument tbh. You will generally find far fewer believers in the high levels of any scientific field than the general population, but they are there (incidentally, there are also a few non-believers in the high levels of religions too, but that's another point). They often have difficulty explaining how they reconcile the two essentially opposite ways of thinking. But I've never heard an intelligent, rational religious person argue that those beliefs in particular are rational, in a similar way to how I've never heard anyone who walks on cracks, or is scared of flying is so for rational reasons. I find the people who do claim their religious belief to be on rational foundations tend to be the fundies, who have a vested interest in making their beliefs appear to be on a level playing field as science in terms of explaining the world. It's quite possible to be a rational human being, and have irrational phobias, practices and beliefs. Hell, I doubt anyone would not want to say goodbye to loved ones in a funeral, for example, despite it being a completely irrational thing to do. So it's possible to be a rational person with irrational beliefs, fears, actions, and the rest. In fact I'd say everyone is to some degree.
You are presuming this. They may have found their faith at a later age. And wouldn't your staunch atheism be indoctrination too?
Pah! Don't worry about replying ... I know where you are coming from really - it's just I don't know how much less indoctrination an atheist might have over their children than a theist might. Although, to be fair, atheists* might tend to have more accommodating views over people that are different to themselves.
So do most Public Schools IMO but many of them I believe qualify as charities
How do you come to that conclusion?
Sorry - that should have read 'atheists' ...
Okay then. How do you come to that conclusion?
My thoughts exactly.
I don't think I implied that I reached a definite 'conclusion' - I said 'may'.
However, the point I was putting across is that while 'religious' people are often less tolerant because of their beliefs, most atheists may well be more tolerant because they do not have scriptural 'instruction' to guide them to be otherwise.
Though my main worry is that the main market for any "educational" tour will be school trips. And bear in mind that the same people that are funding our new academies are apparently linked to this in some way. It's all very dodgy.
The report doesnt make out its going to be strictly the Alton Towers type them park. Anyway the Somerset one mentioned earlier seems to be quite a popular attraction.
Perhaps people are more open-minded than we think, at Uni I attended an Islamic fair and was given a Koran and quite a bit of Islamic literature. It didnt convert me but I was interested in knowing more about their beliefs rather than writing off as fundamentalist bollocks.
Because obviously every American is a nut?
They actually have (although Bush does his best to get round it) much stronger divisions between Church and State there than we do. Bishops in the Lords anyone?
Only on a purely official level. Try and get elected on a religious agenda in this country. And try and get elected without a religious agenda in America. There isn't a single senator who publically admits to not being religious in America (possibly one). I think that tells you all you need to know.
children are born atheist.