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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,875,648 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm With Stupid wrote: »
    I remember an interview with a muslim who had turned his back on religious extremism, and he said that the main thing that made him turn to extremism in the first place was that their wasn't an open and frank discussion about the nastier passages in the Koran, they were merely swept under the carpet. Meanwhile, he was still told that faith in the book is the ultimate virtue, so when he gets involved in a muslim group who do discuss these passages and what they mean (in a very literal way), his previous education makes him vulnerable to extremism.
    Where was this interview? It would be interesting to read.

    It's a bit condescending, although you probably don't mean to be... To imply that these individuals who turn to 'extremism' (I assume in the UK?) somehow lack the capacity to think for themselves.

    There are probably more factors than what you mentioned and people are more complex.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,875,648 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Namaste wrote: »
    Where was this interview? It would be interesting to read.
    It was on Newsnight a year or so ago.
    Namaste wrote: »
    It's a bit condescending, although you probably don't mean to be... To imply that these individuals who turn to 'extremism' (I assume in the UK?) somehow lack the capacity to think for themselves.
    Who said they don't think for themselves? If I believed what they believed, I would take the entirely logical decision to do exactly what they do. If I genuinely believed in heaven and hell, and believed that if I killed a bunch of non-believers that not only I would go to heaven, but all of my family would too, then the choice would be a completely rational, clear one. Just one based on false information (unless the extremists really are the only ones that are right :p).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,875,648 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm With Stupid wrote: »
    Who said they don't think for themselves? If I believed what they believed, I would take the entirely logical decision to do exactly what they do.
    You mention the 'nastier passages of the Koran' not being open to debate. Was this guy a British Muslim?

    I don't think that extremism comes from this. I think that it's something far more complex than just a belief in the Koran.

    Kind of on a tangent, but has anybody seen the Louis Theroux documentaries?

    There was one on Nazis and also one on black supremacy. The thing I picked up on was how articulate and intelligent the black supremacists were and how unintelligent the Nazis sounded.

    For any form of 'extremism' (which is a word in itself imo is too equivocal and biased for an intelligent debate) there are a range of factors which create the conditions for people to have such views.

    Of course, education plays a part, religion may, bio-determinism may, bad experiences might, socialisation would also be a factor. We need to be careful though with using 'religion' as an excuse. Take the teddy bear incident for example. Up to a thousand people marched to have a more severe punishment for the woman... Up to a thousand Muslims in a country of how many people?

    Wherever you go in the world people will have different ideas and interpretations of different philosophical and religious theories.
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