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US to increase Israel's military aid
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Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has confirmed that the United States is planning a significant increase in military and defence aid to Israel.
The package would reportedly amount to more than $30bn (£14.8bn) over the next 10 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6920988.stm
FFS, this stuff just beggars belief.. think what good uses that money could be put too! Instead of bombing innocent lebanese and the such.
I'm off out now so can't write anymore til I get back
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There is one thing supplying a country with arms and another going in to fight the war for them. That is something we certainly do not want the Americans to do because they appear to have no value whatsoever for human life outside of their own people, if even that.
Let's not pretend the US government actually cares about the American people. It's their (potential) healthcare money they're spending on weapons for another country.
This can only happen when globally people stop being labelled as "us" and "them". People should be allowed to have different nationalities, cultures, religions, ideologies etc but still not be treated as a "them".
By supplying Israel with arms they are taking a step to recognise Israelis as part of a world that has the right to defend itself against attack.
*splutter*
You're kidding, right?
Their own arms, rather than the arms of their political allies. They also don't subsequently have the cheek to claim that it's foreign aid. Or maybe they do. I'm not claiming that the American government is alone in furthering the interests of a select few at the expense of the majority.
What?
I was commenting on your opinion of Israel.
I do not think the war in Lebanon last year was right, partly because there were so many innocent Lebanese civilians caught up in it, so it was wrong on moral grounds.
It was also wrong on tactical grounds in my opinion. You cannot bomb away your enemies, and even if you do succeed in bombing most of them away you are likely to create more enemies in the process, and I think Israel did exactly that.
However Lebanon and Gaza must take responsibility as a whole to ensure that rockets are not being fired into Israel from within their borders, and if they are not willing to take this responsibility then you can understand Israel wanting to take the measures themselves. This either means air-strikes or sending in tanks, neither of which is going to be popular. The latter is preferable because its less likely to cause civilian casualties but does give the appearance of "occupation". It is also the course more likely to lead to casualties on your own side but I guess you have to evaluate all human life as equal in these situations.
As for the civil war in Gaza, this is something they must sort out for themselves, and it is not for Israel or the USA or anyone else for that matter to interfere, unless one of the parties invites them in, i.e. if one particular side is getting massacred as in genocide and needs to call in a third-party nation to protect them, and then it should be preferably for that reason - to protect them, not to do the identical thing to the other side.
And what would Lebanon use it for? For Hezbollah to fire rockets into Israel? That is why Israel may well continue to "occupy" it, but they probably allow the original farmers to live there and work there in peace and if Lebanon wants to grant these people citizenship and voting rights then let it.
Palestinians living on the West Bank do enjoy more rights than you might think. They do have voting rights, albeit for their own government (The Palestinian Authority), not for the Israeli government. Gaza is no longer "occupied". It hasn't been since the summer of 2005.
Of course, some Western allies in the region are also threatened by Iran - Israel is not unique in being endangered by Iran. It's therefore important that US support is extended to such allies. (Mainly Egypt, UAE, Saudi Arabia).
One day someone is going to retaliate against Israel in the way Israel has attacked ruthlessly innocent countries. One day, when the US economy has broke, and it can't run to Israels help, they'll get slaughtered. And the sad truth is, it'll be Israeli civilians who pay. Israelis, who, many didn't agree with thier Government. And the Israeli govewrnment will seek refuge, likey in the USA or UK.
Israel is like the kid who always sucked up to the playground bully, and always had the protection. Until the bully was expelled.
Israel plays a dangerous game.
No it's not. A better thing to do would be to try and ease tensions diplomatically, arming a country to the teeth only makes matters worse and will cause other countries to follow suit.
Because the USA are a bunch of cunts and want to eliminate the opposition to thier world control - the Mid East has a rather tasty supply of natural reasources, but are most opposed to the USA. Israel appears to be immune from world criticism, due to the USA running the UN, and therefore can exterminate Arabs at will. This works well into the USA's agenda. Zionism is currently running our world.
Oh well, I am waiting for the South to Succeed at the next Presidential election anyway. A republican black candidate... a woman for the democracts... Succession time!
The Southerners have a rather, shall we say, "different" view of the Jewish people. :rolleyes:
As for the two presidential candidates, nope, I don't. Modern Western democracies are just a vote of who's face you like more.
Are you suggesting that you'd like anti-semites in power?
Why do you think Israel has a fortress mentality? It couldn't be anything to do with past experience of leaders with an irrational hate for Jews, could it?
I didn't say that. I just said a joke about the south succeeding as they don't like women or black people. But they wouldn't fund Israel any longer if it happened, which is very unlikley. Keep up. I didn't say I wanted it to happen... I jsut want to laugh at the opinions of the Rednecks at the next Presidential Elections. The apparent World Leading Nation has some of the most backwards-thinking people about in it.
Israel at the end of the day, just SHOULD NOT have been created at all. Let's be honest. The Jewish were always a nomadic peoples. They didn't need a homeland - they were nomadic ffs. I don't know why it was felt we needed to make Israel. We should have just left the world alone... but then again, when we made the British Empire we enforced Boundries on god-knows how many nationless tribes creating civil war.
I caused nothing but problems. Especially as the land was forcefully taken off someone else. You know, most of the time, when one nation steals land, we condem it... then the fact Israel invaded and occupied more land didn't help the already tense situation.
Er, The Jews were nomads? That's an interesting rewriting of history. Could it be they moved, not due to a wanderlust, but the fact people kept throwing them out of their countries or killing them?
http://chi.gospelcom.net/DAILYF/2003/03/daily-03-31-2003.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/history/expulsionfromfrance.shtml
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/S/sh01/struma2_t.html
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSpogroms.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/holocaust_overview_01.shtml
So what, they didn't travel to France, England, or Russia at all? They just popped into existence out of nowhere?
The Jewish have never had a homeland. There was never a Jewish country before the creation of Israel. This is a fact.
Britain was a Christian Country. Italy is too. The Mid Eastern states are Muslim. And we can go on and on. But the truth just is, the Jews did not really "need" a Jewish country. Indeed, the creation of Israel has led to probably MORE hatred of Jews by Muslims who formely, whilst not being pro-jew, obviously, had no real opinion. I don't see why Israel was needed, in any way.
The Jews have suffered more from its creation from a hatred point of view.
Did he? or did he just express a wish to see regime change in Israel?
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/jonathan_steele/2006/06/post_155.html
Thrown out by the Romans of Judea
Judea?
The Holocaust?
Though less from a killing point of view...
Point being that Israel are not merely defending themselves. They are also aggressors.
This is only from a political point of view. The Jewish holy-sites are based in Israel. The holiest site is that of the Temple Mount. The holiest site to which Jews may actually go is the Western Wall.
Now, Christians are free to go to the Vatican City and Muslims are free to go to Mecca, so why should Jews not be free to go to the Western Wall?