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Do you think the Tory party would benefit from replacing IDS within the next few months or would their electoral hopes be furthered damaged by another round of infighting?
Does it even matter who their leader is or are they doomed forever?
Does it even matter who their leader is or are they doomed forever?
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I think the best thing they could do would be to replace him. People are extremely unhappy with Labour, but can't see IDS as a replacement for Tony- or anyone else.
If people were given a chance to be excited about the Tory party again, the Tories would capture a lot more votes at the next election. But who on earth could be inspired or excited by IDS???
made me laugh and this thread reminded me of it.
who else could do the job?
how long has he been leader? has he had enough of a chance?
I personally don't think changign the leader would have much effect as the Tories are just utterly in the wrong position, new labour have stolen so much of their ground that they have little room to manouevere.........
In the best BNP style they're grasping at straws without making much sense. One of their more stupid new ideas consists of removing the asylum system so they can pay for 40,000 more policemen. They work on the principle that asylum is always on the agenda, and so is law and order. But few people other than the rabid xenophobic or the Daily Mosley editor would be asking for the removal of the asylum system. Nor do their numbers make much sense. They said 40,000 more cops, they might as well said 2,000,000 more cops. Somehow there is the impression that they're just throwing big figures at the electorate in an attempt to woo them, but without actually having a clue on how it could be done.
The 'sheriffs' idea could potentially be good but it is one that I fear will be laughed off by many. And considering the average turnout for local elections and voting, I can't see people dying with anticipation to vote for a new 'sheriff' in their area. One for the 'Cone hotline' department?
But if they want to stand a chance, they need a leader with more charisma than a boiled potato and initials that don't make you think immediately of a sexually transmitted disease!
Much as I dislike him, I do think that Ken Clarke may be a viable alternative. Perhaps too left for the Conservatives at large, though?
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Oh God no, anyone but him. He is a dinosaur, a relic of the days of Thatcher. And he's pro-euro.
We need someone new and fresh. I was a big fan of William Hague, maybe he should be given a second chance. My other choices would be David Davis or oliver Letwin.
IDS is useless as a leader. Where Hague layed into Blair at every opportunity, IDS has been silent as a church mouse.
Do you remember the much trumpeted "Common Sense Revolution", for instance?
I won't blame you if you don't...
The Tories (and that's not exclusively the fault of their leader) give out a message of a dying, confused, broken, polarised party with a severe drought on ideas and policies.
They would need to start producing clear policies and ideas (instead of their usual and tired number-throwing without backing up "let's save x billions by getting rid of asylum seekers", "let's put 27 million more policemen on the streets") pretty soon, and they would need a new leader who shows charisma and determination. Clarke might be pro-euro, but he is also a very intelligent man who can get across many people from all sides of the spectrum. I can't see many anti-euro would be candidates who can speak of anything else other than the euro and the EU.
As it was proved at the last election there is life after the euro and the EU. The public care most about public services, and to be frank the Tories are to public services what Herod was to children. Unless they change that image they're not going to get far with floating voters.
interesting metaphor for one who's rather anti religion
Letwins recent Asylum proposals clearly show him to be an utter idiot, they are all crap!!!