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Won't get into that now.
Still, Clandestine uses the word Jew.
In fact, looking back over this thread not once did I even mention the word Jew before you started raving about racism. My comments were specifically confined to Zionists. It appears you truly do simply wish to excuse any wrongdoing by Israel or its collusionists in Washington by contriving implications that were never made.
No government of any nation is above criticism, certainly not a pivotal government such as that of Israel's which has flouted UN resolutions for over 30 years with US government support.
If that is the extent of your political integrity then it truly is futile even bothering to respond to you.
Both of you get real, this is the first time I call someone racist. And I do believe that Clandestine is racist.
You are the ones making up in your mind that it is an everday term I use.
Goodnight
You use it now and you use it wrongly...for that it should be challenged.
So its the first time...so what ...we are just pointing out that you are wrong....save it for someone who really is!!
Ever since then Israel has been forced to guard its borders, and that can only breed right wing regimes. It's a shame that many of the people here cannot recognise that. It seems that the left wing approach is to automatically side with whoever they see as an underdog - regardless of the rights and wrongs of that cause, and the people who support it.
Palestine is just an example of that.
But I still dont think that Clandestine is racist. A conspiracist maybe. Paranoid about Zionists and Oil Barons certainly. But no racist.
That said, I may think that you are wrong to call him a racist, but you were certainly alot closer when you said this...
Think nothing of it. Even those who manipulate the truth to make their position stronger deserve recognition when they are right.
Now, who else could I say that about...
Almost said with a straight face, I'm sure.
Dude, you spend so much time linking tenuous link after tenuous link until a picture appears of what you want to portray - usually that anything Bush does is motivated by oil.
Then you ignore anything which points away from it, and reply in a further tirade against the Bush regime.
You may think that is "fighting" against manipulation of truth, because that is your version of the truth. I personally think you are just as biased in your approach as Fox News is.
What really makes me laugh, is that you cannot see your own bias, whilst you rail against others for not recognising the bias in what they comment on.
It seems you must be convinced that the expalanations you are given by by CNN et al. is all there is to any issue and that hidden agendas can't possibly exist. That's your choice and sadly the choice of the majority of sheeple but it is naive nevertheless.
Sometimes people can recognise bullshit, from whichever avenue it comes...
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So, in the fairness of not maniuplating information, I presume that you give links to other news sources from those who support your disorted version of a story?
In an attempt to give PNJ a view of where your views come from I assume that you have told PNJ about your WTC conspiracy theory, haven't you?
You know, the one that says it was a Israeli/US Govt plot?
No, not everyone who accepts only the mainstream media's sanitised and often spin drenched perspective of the "reality" of situations is a govt stooge. To say as much only sidesteps the point I actually made insofar as you appear to only accept corporate news as the whole truth when it patently isnt.
I have actually posted numerous links over the course of my time here, many of which lead to reports from credible and well respected organisations like the Federation of American Scientists, MediaWatch, and others. You are simply so hell bent on not looking past the surface of matters to admit that there are often much larger issues at work in a given situation than the public is informed of by the mainstream media.
As ive said many times in the past, so I repeat now, those who hide behind allegations of conspiracy theory merely wish to turn a blind eye to the hidden agendas which our govts pursue constantly. I do not content myself to accept such without serious scrutiny and criticism, more the pity those, like yourself, who apparently do.
And I recognise that as bullshit, as do many others.
The salient word there being "serious". This does not mean paranoid delusions. When you get to the extremes - as you have regards WTC - then you should recognise that you need help.
As I have said before, I know my Govt does things which it then tries to hide. I question what they do in my name, and I don't believe much of what I am told. But if you think it is healthy to always be checking your back to see what "they" are doing to you, then let me point out that we have a ward full of people like you in the hospital where I'm working these days...
Suffice to say I consider myself somewhat better placed in international policy circles to see beyond the surface of events to see the legitimacy of my cynicism.
You are perfectly free to maintain your incredulity. It only makes any potential "I told you so" all the sweeter for me.
That's the scandal...not that they were in with Bush. These news organizations will do anything to appear that they have speacial access to news and to appease the peace movements embarrassment over not supporting the war. The worry about news organizations embedded with the troops ignored the fact that Sky News and all the rest of them in the Palestine Hotel...were just Saddam's enablers.
"There is a thin line between..."
It also gives me an ability to spot the people with a slim grasp of real life and those who need strong medication.
To be honest, you seem to glide between the two effortlessly
Somtimes I'm not really sure which side of that fine line you are...
I you sure you're not French or Egyptian? :rolleyes: