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Pro sanctions. Against Iraq war.
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I'm for the world isolating Iraq for human rights violations and if they have weapons of mass destruction. I'm against a war against them because they are contained and because there will always be terrorists in the world because of the advancement of explosives and spread of information regarding how to create them via the Internet.
So my point is: the war on terrorism must never end. The war on Iraq must not start because it won't make us safer.
So my point is: the war on terrorism must never end. The war on Iraq must not start because it won't make us safer.
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What if other countries have different ideas on what human rights should be? There claim to isolate your nation would be equally as valid........
Im against a war with Iraq and I am massively against these sanctions.
Well, I know Iraq can't just go along unchecked. We were allies of Iraq until he mistook that as an invitation to take over Kuwait.
We should have got Sadders in 1991/2 it was a big mistake not to and probably cost Bush Senior a second term in office. History has told us that we cannot appease Nazi’s. Sadam must be disposed off whatever the cost.
It certainly would make a change if the US was to adopt a zero-tolerance approach to all the butchers, madmen, dictators, tyrants and other unsavoury types that are in power in numerous countries around the world. Unfortunately it has been proved before, and is still being proven today that atrocities will be ignored so far as the nutter in question is seen as beneficial to US interests.
I agree pnjsurferpoet, a secular, democratic, pro western Iraq, enjoying the fruits of its oil wealth and free trade with the West, will be a real thorn in the side of probably the two most evil nations in the world, its neighbours Iran and Saudi.
As for evil nations, be careful in painting a whole nation evil like my moronic President is wont to do. A regime may be evil but if we go spouting off about entire nations being evil on the basis of its government's actions, then most of the world can easily rank us as one of the highest on the list. So lets try to avoid sweeping generalisations shall we?
In point of fact, a considerable groundswell of revolt is ocurring now in Iran, lead by certain reformist parties and the country's student population.
So there is a prime example where one can see that third country invasions and the setting up of puppet regimes is both unnecessary and ultimately self-defeating.
Remove the damn sanctions is what we should do and let the people of Iraq return to some soemblance of normal life so that they can handle their own regime changes themselves. Anything less is a return to blatant imperialism and will only bring more chaos and violence to the region and to ourselves.
Why is the solutions Europe always offers is to do nothing but increase trade with even the most evil countries, i.e. France, Germany and Russia's huge trade deals with Iraq. What does Europe stand for except a lot of liberal speaches that ignore reality and mask dirty deals with filthy leaders?
Why is it that my countrymen see things in terms of war=doing something and finding other means of isolating Saddam and assisting the indigenous population to take care of their own governance issues = doing nothing??
Sorry pnj, one thing youll learn if you experience the world and see just how complex most foreign relations issues are, is that war is rarely a viable means of conflict resolution for it only brings more problems than what we were dealing with before, and that the hawks who push for war are the ones whose only interests are how much money they are (and yet stand to make) off of pursuing military solutions.
You yourself even admitted to recognising that the Bush family is tied into the Carlysle Group and is making out like bandits from the tax payer money now diverted into the military industrial complex.
By the way, opposition to this war isnt only coming from Europe, its also coming from our own country itself. Even some of our retired Generals have been increasing statements against this whole scenario.
Actually, he didn't. The British and French both had stronger fighting forces as late as May of 1940. Germany won the Battle of France anyway. The strength of a military is not the only area that needs to be judged in order to assess the risk posed by a nation.
But I do think the world has to do something to keep Saddam from expanding again.