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The emphasis there is accused whereas Deyton doesn’t deny the allegations. If anything not only were the media wrong to name Leslie, but Granada were wrong to sack him.
That said, he could hardly argue against the cocaine video
Apart from lying to his bosses you mean?
Apart from making his position as chair of a satirical game show hard because he was the news…the programme should be about the issues of the day, not its chairman.
If you ignore that four of them have gone to the Police with their allegations.
There is an expression about smoke and fire. In this case I would suggest that there is a lot of smoke.
I’ll accept that Ulrika was remiss not to have reported the crime at the time, but many women don’t. What you fail to mention is that it is still conjecture that Leslie is the man who attacked her because she still hasn’t named her attacker.
The fact that you say you have never liked her appears to reflect in your condemnation of her, and that is sad.
I haven’t liked her either, but that doesn’t mean that I will instantly dismiss her rape claim as a fabrication, nor do I believe that she should name the attacker unless she wishes to.
See above, but four women, to date, actually have.
Its also worth noting that most of these women have remained anonymous, and have not actually sought any personal publicity.
They didn’t. Channel Five did. So attack the newspapers for sure, but remember that it wasn’t they who broke the story.
Because she hasn’t named him.
He could sue several organisations right now and Matthew Wright personally. It will be interesting to see if he does, in view of the effect.
Who, incidentally, served jail time for his crime, and didn’t do it while he was a presenter on national TV.
I’m surprised at this.
I thought it was only Steelgate who saw rape as a need for sex. Most “experts” believe it is about power.
Next question, have you considered that he may not have understood that some women could resist his charms? A well known, rich, “handsome” man, why wouldn’t they find him attractive. At least that could be what he thought...
Oh, and the newspapers reported it as Leslie who did it. they didnt say 'five says its Leslie', the headlines and the stories insinuated that it was Leslie. Matthew Wright was barely, if at all, mentioned.
Oh, and normally you are very against trial by media, but you seem to have left your morals at the door this time MoK. Yes, Leslie has taken charlie (if you accept grainy, blurred photos as proof), so the sacking is maybe understandable, but the fact that he snorts coke and likes bedding young girls is no proof as a rapist. Youve judged him in his character, and that means nothing.
Oh, and 'no smoke without fire'? I refer you to the cases of Craig Charles, the university professor who marked two girls essays as fails so they stalked him before crying rape, the Hamilton case and the case of the pharmacist who was jailed for bringing a malicious rape claim against a student who dumped her. There was lots of smoke there, especially in the Hamilton and Charles cases, yet one never reached court because it was too ludicrous and the other one was so unfounded the judge threw it out in the space of hours.
Just a few points to consider.
Oh, and I did quite like Jonsson, but I still dont think she was raped. The way shes dealt with it, and her past history of screwing over Stan Collymore and Sven Goran Eriksson, among others, when they stopped liking her, is an indication that her word should be taken with a pinch of salt. And, yes, thats a character judgment too, but I wouldnt like to dismiss the theory unless it comes to court. Which it wont.
Remarkably, it was humorous.
Or at least, intended that way.
:rolleyes:
That's not actually the case; they have accused him of rape and thus if he brought a case for defamation against them it would be up to them to provide proof that he was guilty. And, as it was a criminal offence that they accused him of, they would have to provide proof to the standard normally used in a criminal trial, not simply in terms of "balance of probabilities", which is normally used in litigations.
The downside to him bringing a case for defamation is that he'd have to have his entire private life dragged out into public.
At no point have I said that I think he is guilty, I just believe that this much smoke means that he needs to do something. His silence damns him more.
As Vox says, he could easily sue for Libel, especially based on these allegations, and he doesn't need to sue Jonsson, because he could start with Five, and then sue most newspapers. The onus of prrof is on them to show that he DID do it...
I don't agree with trial by media, but it has happened, and like it or not no newspaper would have reported his name if five hadn't done so first.
What interests me is that people are blaming Jonsson for this. Especially when it is based on stories in the very tabloids you complain about. The important issue here is that Ulrika has never named her attacker, people have made assumptions and surprisingly another 30 or so women have suggested that similar things have happened to them and tha John Leslie was responsible. The same day that the papers named him, they also referred to several other similar cases where the victim had named him. Still no confirmation from Ulrika.
As for Collymore, well Stan beat the shit out of her, I'd hardly suggest that she has managed to screw him over.
I also dont think it matters what Leslie does now, his career is in tatters. People always claim 'no smoke without fire', so even if he conclusively proves he didnt, then even that wont make a difference. Personally I think hes a womaniser who lieks a bit of charlie every now and again, but that means hell never work as a family entertainer again. Even though I have my doubts about the coke pictures in the tabloids.
BRING BACK ANGUS!!!