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That is a very valid point.
"The way that I have found the light in my life is through the expressive arts because I know that I will be accepted for the way I am." ~ Me
"I'm going to get strong again and see you soon. " ~ Anonymous
From my knowledge the software uses 3d imagery scans, so Im guessing maybe it has a way to tell if its a photo graph/ image compared to a real person
However if your point was they could use another real person face instead of own I agree
My other thought was if someone like myself feels more comfortable with a selfie than an ID, what if they happen to look a day over 26? Will we be able to see what age it thinks we are? Both reddit and discord verified me straight away as an adult through a selfie, but it didn’t tell me what age it thought I was. What if it just says adult are you going to be asking for ID to prove what age of adult that is?
Ik i keep editing this but another one: same could actually apply to teens who have just turned 13 as well. You don’t suddenly look an age. I have already raised concerns about young teens and ID, but if the only option they have available to them is a selfie and that selfie thinks they’re still 12 they’re pretty screwed. I had literally just turned 13 when I joined here. Who knows if i would have got through it
Yoti id software lets you upload image if i remember correctly, I haven't experienced yoti face scan technology though
great point. There's been countless case's where this has happened with both live photo requirements, and also photo upload requirements. There are a few proven case's of it, where the 3d imagery scans have failed and easily been bypassed with fake pictures of different people.
https://www.theverge.com/report/714402/uk-age-verification-bypass-death-stranding-reddit-discord
Hello im not here to argue but I decided to read the article myself (im only about 1/4 way through) and the article does say that most common method used to trick age verification software failed when it was used on YOTI, showing that YOTI has software to prevent at least one of the methods to trick age verification
Also the article was about using it to prove your a adult which i feel there is alot more recourse out there that allow you to use trick effectively as stated in article
I don`t think people here would be that stupid.
"The way that I have found the light in my life is through the expressive arts because I know that I will be accepted for the way I am." ~ Me
"I'm going to get strong again and see you soon. " ~ Anonymous
"The way that I have found the light in my life is through the expressive arts because I know that I will be accepted for the way I am." ~ Me
"I'm going to get strong again and see you soon. " ~ Anonymous
@BensonE That's actually the main reason I previously spoke in this thread about Yoti being awesome, with them having a great track record, and me even being comfortable enough sending my photo ID to them if needed. You are right that the bypass didn't work on Yoti, much to it's strength, and i would argue it's the most effective system currently available.
That being said, my concern is with the potential of emerging, more advanced spoofing. Without going into too much technical details, Yoti works by using a deep neural network in order to identify whether it's engaging with a real face or not, and shut down any spoofing attempts. This is a field of study that is rapidly evolving. Like many other technology fields, including Cyber Security, preventative methods that are effective now against it, like what yoti has, may not always be effective in future, as it bypass methods become more advanced, which is why i think it is a very valid concern to have about using others faces, real or fake ones, in future, which is why i see it as a perfectly valid concern.
And i think the Mix intend to use it to ensure that users are below 26, and are allowed within their age remit here, which is why i drew comparison to the age detection tools in question in the article.
@Dancer it's not a question of that, it's a simple statement of fact that it's a very valid concern that was raised, and i wanted to support it with evidence of how similar systems have in the past been bypassed using all sorts of different methods including using others face's, including deepfakes, and why it's valid to have such concerns about it. At no stage here did i describe anyone as "stupid", or ever imply user's were. There hasn't been any mention of stupidity raised in this conversation other than by yourself, which i find completely unnecessary.
https://www.mdpi.com/2504-2289/7/1/37
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/brits-can-get-around-discords-age-verification-thanks-to-death-strandings-photo-mode-bypassing-the-measure-introduced-with-the-uks-online-safety-act-we-tried-it-and-it-works-thanks-kojima/
https://arxiv.org/abs/2202.10673
Glad we can agree that yoti is advance
This is a very good point that i hadn’t even considered @Dancer. From what I know yoti is one of the most secure ones out there, but I agree that some people might have concerns beyond the usual ones.
If someone is in that type of situation, which arguably might be what leads them to the mix in the first place, it is very valid for them to be concerned about it regardless of what the privacy policies say.