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I was watching a bbc programme on Monday night about young offenders who were talking about the crime they had committed. Some were aware of the laws surrounding the crime but others not and also the length of the prison sentence they would be given. A couple of offenders even said that they think that life should mean life. Do you think that if you take a life it means you should spend the rest of your life behind bars? I do think life should be life. Some of the sentences we have given to this particular crime are far too lenient and should be a lot stiffer. Would you know if your son or daughter go out with a knife with intent to cause harm. Do you think that education does enough to gain you the knowledge you require? Do you know the laws as a young person about carrying knives?
I would like to see a lot more done than what is not being done about the issue. I believe it is our duty in society to help those who need help with realising that it is NOT COOL TO BE FOOL...A KNIFE MEANS LIFE.
I would like to see a lot more done than what is not being done about the issue. I believe it is our duty in society to help those who need help with realising that it is NOT COOL TO BE FOOL...A KNIFE MEANS LIFE.
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Sentences of all sorts should be tougher. Community punishments should be widespread and publicised so people know that justice is being carried out, and jail sentences for prolific and dangerous offenders need to be long.
I'm very keen for offenders responsible for theft or damage to be made to put right that damage, instead of working on a project somewhere else, or as well as.
At least then they are responsible for directly helping their victim.
If somebody has served a good length of time in prison and is a changed and rehabilitated person for it, does it really serve society to keep them locked up?
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That's my opinion on the matter.
Yes as that's their punishment. Just because they are rehabilitated shouldn't then mean they can come out and enjoy life again. Life maybe would mean life if they had the space to keep people in prison for that amount of time, but it's just not practical.
A policy where sentances are simply about retribution is effectively an 'eye for an eye' policy. I don't believe that a modern civilised society should have such a backward policy.
It's all about balance.
A sentance should serves as retribution for the victims, persuasion for others not to commit the same crime, and rehabilitation of the convicted.
Till they die?
How does society benifit from that?
That's not what I asked. How does society benifit?
Of course any punisment should include retribution for victims, but no to the extent where by they get to choose the punishment. There's more to it than just appeasing the victim or victims relatives.
there need to be more community sentences for minor crimes, and more community rehabilitation for those near the end of their sentences...
Im all for rehabilitation of offenders, end of the day our jails are getting full and Id rather be letting out people who have been rehabilitated, than just letting out people who are nearish the end of their sentence.
THANK YOU BECKS27 MY POINT EXCATLY R.I.P PAUL 'GILLY'GILLIGAN :angel: :angel:
How does society benefit? If a dangerous person is removed from society, they no longer present a danger to it. Indefenite jail sentences should be reserved for those who are deemed unfit to live amongst the rest of us.
Saying that I am all for rehabilitation, if it works and if an offender engages with it.
I went to prison a few weeks back with some young offenders I was working with and we got talking to one of the inmates who is really managing to turn his life around, he even had the guarantee of a decent job when he got out because of all the work he'd been putting in.
But, he was one of the minority unfortunately.
I know of another lad who refuses all help, has no education and won't do anything to help us/probation help him. His sole concern is getting on the dole, or robbing from someone else. He is a dangerous, violent individual who's only meaningful contribution to society at the moment would be to remove himself from it. He has no skills, no education, no will to change. What hope do we have with people like him? He worries us sometimes, so God knows how the people in his town feel when they see him.
London knife crime: Stabbing victim fights for lifeJonathan Haynes and agencies guardian.co.uk, Thursday 3 July 2008 21.50 BST Article historyA man in his early 20s is fighting for life after being stabbed in south London, police said tonight.
The attack is the latest in a series of stabbings in the capital and comes less than a week after the killing of 16-year-old Ben Kinsella in north London.
Three men were tonight charged with the murder of the teenager, the brother of former EastEnders actress Brooke Kinsella, who was stabbed to death in Islington in the early hours of Sunday morning.
Scotland Yard said Juress Kika, 18, Michael Alleyne, 18, and Jade Braithwaite, 19, all from the Islington area, would appear before Highbury magistrates tomorrow.
In today's incident police officers were called to Beulah Crescent in Thornton Heath, south London, just before 2pm after reports of a knife attack.
An air ambulance was scrambled but the victim was eventually taken to hospital by road after being treated at the scene.
A Metropolitan police spokesman said: "Shortly before 2pm we were called to reports of a stabbing in Beulah Crescent, Thornton Heath.
"He has gone to a south London hospital and is in a life-threatening condition."
The spokesman said he had been stabbed more than once but that the weapon had not yet been identified.
On Sunday the bodies of French students Laurent Bonomo and Gabriel Ferez, both 23, were found riddled with knife wounds after a flat fire in New Cross, south-east London.
Tunisian national Hamouda Bessaad was stabbed to death on Old Kent Road, south-east London, on Monday, while Dee Willis, 28, died after a knife attack in Peckham a day later.
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Of course but that isn't what I'm saying. I havn't been arguing for dangerous people to be let out into society merely that it serves nobody to lock up rehabilitated criminals foir the rest of their days.
Becks save you copy and paste stories for someboyd else. I've been a victim of knife crime and that doesn't sway my thinking. People make mistakes, and people can change. This is especially true of young people.
Sentances have to take into account what's best for society, not what's best for the victim.
Fair enough, I agree completely on that point, however I do still think there is a place for tough deterrents in society. I know there are exceptions, bullied kids taking a knife under some misguided belief it will protect them e.t.c. and personally speaking I'm currently in a position where I might have to deal with such an ocurrence. I'd like to think that I'd be able to deal with each case fairly but firmly. Deciding who poses the most risk and those who don't. I've not got it wrong yet.
I'm not sure what the basis is for the knife focus? Is the idea that because lots of people use knives they should be punished for it? If they were more original they shouldn't be punished as much? If the idea is to encourage people not to carry knives then aren't you rewarding people for shooting people and carrying guns? - something with a much greater risk of a bystander being hurt.
I think if we are ever going to consider something as humiliating, barbaric and terrifying as locking people up, without any possibility of parole, then it should be done on the basis of something real - rather than a dislike of a specific weapon.
I don't believe in the death penalty and I don't believe in imprisonment without parole, so I find the idea of dealing with people in absolutes very difficult to accept.
You can visit a prison if you'd like to know what it is like - but I'd point out one thing, when someone says 'prison is like a holiday' - if they ever really say that - imagine how bad their life outside is.
Bail also isn't what people get released on - that's before trial. If they are released after conviction for murder they will spend their entire life under licence, supervised by the probation service and can be immediately recalled to prison for any offense.
One thing I really do need you to provide some evidence for though - I'm unaware of any murder, not manslaughter, ever in the history of the UK resulting in a 2 or 3 year sentence.
Ultimately I believe we have an adequate legal system, when correctly understood and employed, to deal with the need for justice, rehabilitation and monitoring.
The causes and solutions to knife crime and other violent crime simply don't have very much to do with a country's system of punishment. I'd be more interested in solutions to those problems, than calls for arbitrary justice.
Being a relative of a murdered victim does not mean you views on the subject of retribution vs rehabilitation have any more weight. Infact I would say the opposite since any opinion you have is goign to be clouded by emotion.
The criminal justice system should not be handing out sentance based on emotion.
That's the reason victims and the relatives of victims don't decide sentances - it's up to a judge who will take more than just retribution into account. That's the way it shoudl be.
Contrary to popular belief prison is not an easy ride.
There's nothing fair about being murdered. Nothing is ever going to compensate.
When a crime is commited in society it is more than just the victim that need to be taken into consideration when sentance are handed out.
And locking somebody up forever with no chance of parole isn't goign to change that.