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International Women's Day
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Salute to all the women of the world on this, your day. That includes the meber of these boards.
In recognition please stand up and offer a warm round of applause to the following groundbreakers... if you don't know who they are, Google them.
Elizabeth Blackwell
Margaret Thatcher
Indira Gandhi
Marjorie Scardino
Hilda Harding
Marie Curie
Valentina Tereshkova
Rosa Parks
Lady Astor
Katherine Budd
Margaret Grace
Vijaya Pandit
Jane Shaw Stewart
Moira Cameron
... can you name more?
In recognition please stand up and offer a warm round of applause to the following groundbreakers... if you don't know who they are, Google them.
Elizabeth Blackwell
Margaret Thatcher
Indira Gandhi
Marjorie Scardino
Hilda Harding
Marie Curie
Valentina Tereshkova
Rosa Parks
Lady Astor
Katherine Budd
Margaret Grace
Vijaya Pandit
Jane Shaw Stewart
Moira Cameron
... can you name more?
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I'll just add...
Inés de Suárez
ETA: you'll probs have to google her too
there is in Trinidad and Tobago :thumb:
for international woman's day (but I guess that was yesterday now);
my mum
For that matter
Elizabeth I MOK?
Aung San Suu Kyi
Florence Nightingale
Mary Wollstonecraft
Eleanor Roosevelt
Angela Davis
Ani Difranco
Etty Hillesum
Not that I'm aware of. If you're so bothered (which I doubt you actually are) then pick a day and celebrate it, that's how these things generally start out.
Maya Angelou
Germaine Greer
Simone de Beauvoir
Mo Mowlam
Mary Astell
Betty Friedan
Molly Melching
First off, I do. Not all men are war-mongering, trigger-happy, let's-kill-everyone kinda guys (Ghandi, MLK). So what on earth are you wittering about? Men aren't trying to deal with female dominated society? If you think that, read some of R.W. Connell's work on masculinity and get back to me.
In modern day society, masculinity is far more in crisis than femininty is. In any event, if you truely support gender equality, maybe you should open your eyes to how both sexes are repressed and suppressed, rather than thinking it's only women who are.
Rubbish.
Anyway, like you said yourself in the first part of your post - what is this so-called "masculinity"? I thought all men couldn't be defined as one.
Maybe if men weren't so keen on retaining the idea of "masculinity" they would be able to feel secure and like they played an important role in a society in which women now have a voice. After all, feminists are NOT clawing back ground in the name of so-called "femininity".
There is no doubt that men have needed to redefine their role in society in the past couple of decades. Feminists are aware of this. But to suggest the world we live in is a female dominated society suggests you have a very insular view. Women may be closer to equality than ever before in the UK, certain parts of Europe and the USA but if you are seriously suggesting that [for example] Asian society is dominated by women then you need to wise up.
I think it's really sad that a thread (and day) to celebrate the great achievements of women past and present can't stand alone, without having a matching pair "men's day". I think that says everything we need to say about how the attitude toward women has not improved but mutated, as instead of being subservient they are now basically resented by a lot of men. I think it's a glaring indictment that there can't be a thread on this forum celebrating women without it being hijacked at the second post. Cheers.
I don't actually know this woman's name, she was presenting at the RCOG, and she's not well known, nor will she be likely to go down as groundbreaking, but she's working in Afghanistan to train hospital workers, and do work with families to try and lower the appalling maternal mortality ratio out there. (1600 per 100,000 births)
Maybe it was international stove, tidying or vagina day.
:thumb:
Through history it has generally men who have been the "first" human to do most things. Not because women aren't as capabale but because of the perveying culture - hell women didn;t get to vote in the UK until the 20the century FFS.
Therefore it is important that we raise the profile of those magnificent women who broke through those glass ceilings and fought against the odds which we stacked against them. One name I gave earlier was the First female CEO of a FTSE100 company. How many do you think that there are today...? What proportion of MPs are female?
The answers will tell you precisely why we should glosry in the achievements of women throughout history, show our sisers that it possible to get where you want to go...
Constance Markievicz-The first ever woman MP (she didn't take her seat though,) probably as important to the Irish is a Pankhurst is to you lot.
Emma Goldman
If you're doubting its longevity or legitimacy then rest assured it's been celebrated for decades. I think it celebrates its centenary next year
MOK I totally agree, I think it's ridiculous that there is a notion that not only have women scaled the heights and attained equality... but somehow now they have superceded men and are dominant. The idea that men are now subject to treatment on any remote par with women throughout the ages is categorical bullshit.
And what makes you think that it's all men who are trying to do this? This is a very narrow view of the world of men, something which, again, I tried to highlight in my earlier post. In any event, women are implicated in this concept as well (hegemonic masculinity). It's not good, but it exists. And while feminists might not be clawing back ground in the name of (so-called? not sure why it's 'so-called' when it clearly exists) femininity, it's women they're representing, and attempting to change secular views of what being a women is. Femininity is an important aspect of feminism, and when I use the term I don't mean hairspray and lip-gloss.
This is fair enough, and I didn't really think my comment through (I was on my way out the door when I wrote it). Apologies for this. What I meant to say was that men have to contend in arenas where females clearly dominate. You only have to look at the relative lack of rights in child-custody hearings, time off for new fathers, to see one area where men are clearly at a loss. And yes, I accept that women have to face this in many other places as well, but both men and women have to work to fix these issue, rather than 'feminists' attempting to claw back their ground. Men can be at fault, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of helping rectify the situation.
Of course not, and I think it's appaling that women are treated in this way in areas of the world. But again, further my point above, men have a role to play in developing better gender relations. To vilify, criminalise, and in general degrade men as being complicit in this gender order only serves to further isolate men from being part of the solution, and cements their role as part of the problem.
I salute the fact a women's day exists, but I think the rest of your post in bunkum. Of course men's attidues to women have mutated, and I don't think it's in the direction of resentment. This is pure speculation. International women's day is testament to women who rose up against hardship to improve the world. My asking if there was a men's day was only to highlight the fact even though women are celebrated throughout the world, maybe men who have changed the world, rose up against oppression, hardship, difficult times, and injustice, would be afforded the same opportunity.
If you're for gender equality, then there shouldn't be a international women's (or man's) day, there should be an international person of achievment day (or something). Maintaining these gender distinctions (masculinity/femininity) only serve to further divide men and women. We should really be looking at ways and methods to bridge this gap, and men and women play an important role in this. My intention wasn't to degrade, ridicule or otherwise look negatively on women, but at the same time it wasn't to raise the importance of men's issues.
It wasn't my intention to do so. My query was a genuine question, rather than an attempt at stirring up a hornet's nest.
I've already addressed this earlier, but you seem so vehement about your position I wonder whether you'll even read what I've written.
Anyway, on to other things:
Betty Naomi Frieden
Elizabeth Arden
J K Rowling
Coco Chanel
Rosa Parks (said already, but worth mentioning again)
Betty Ford
Coretta Scott King
Mary Wollstonecraft
Hmm? No, I just meant I haven't heard of it before
We shouldn't sidetrack the thread though
As for the women who we are celebrating, is it all great women, or is it particularly women who have triumphed in the face of male adversity (i.e. gaining the right to vote), or is just like 'we love women' day? Sorry
I personally think men who have broken ground and risen up against opression and changed their worlds are pretty well-celebrated. Though of course achievement and striving for them can always be celebrated more. I'm not twisting your words at all, I was just clarifying whether you thought masculinity was something that needed to be preserved or an outdated concept that can't be applied across the board and is thus fairly redundant. I understand your point now, but it wasn't at all clear.
Of course men have to be involved in any resolution of the issues that still exist in terms of gender roles etc. I haven't said otherwise. Being a feminist isn't limited to females, at all. That much is clear from reading this thread alone. Of course I'm vehement about my position, it's rubbish to imply that men are now the second sex, but I think I understand what you are saying.
Shyboy - it's a celebration of all women, though obviously it's also an opportunity for women to celebrate women past and present they feel have had influence and made the world of women what it is today
It's also supposed to open up a forum for debate and discussion about issues for women all over the world, in different cultures and religions. The UN has recently set a "theme" for the day, this year it was "Ending Impunity for Violence against Women and Girls". Basically to shine a spotlight on the lesser known and discussed issues affecting women.
If you're not interested and find it all so "blah" then there's no obligation to post. Everything doesn't have to be of interest to you, thank fuck.
And Queen Victoria I.
Catherine 'the great' of Russia - possibly the first woman to be known as 'the great'?
Boudicca
I'll add as they come into my head
And there is an international men's day, but 'support is limited'. Honestly, I didn't think it would antagonise, and I just couldn't be bother searching on google (sad, I know).