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My thoughts exactly!! :thumb:
When I was doing my degree we went to a farm that produced meat for waitrose and it was one of the nicest farms i had ever visited.
My local butchers is great - they put up all the heard details etc on the board so you know exactly where your meat has come from.
I also get meat occasionally from my friend who has a farm. I was bottle feeding one of the lambs before christmas and it did cross my mind weather it would end up feeding me eventually - mmmmmm mint sauce.
Because I'm a hell of a lot higher up the food chain than a cow.
Hate that attitude....just because you're bigger/stronger/higher up the food chain (who says, anyway??), you can do what you like with them?? Everything deserves to be treated with respect...I happen to be vegetarian, but I don't have a problem with people eating meat if they're honest with themselves and don't pretend an animal doesn't have to die to provide their food....and if animals HAVE to die for this reason, I'd rather they were killed in as humane a way as possible.
They are treated with respect and they are treated humanely.
The day a cow can slaughter me, butcher me and make me into a stew then I'll concede that I'm not higher up on the food chain then them.
In my opinion, just because you're able to doesn't mean you should.....but I suppose that's a whole other debate....:chin:
the fact that we are physically able to kill and cook and eat any of these creatures, makes us bigger / stronger/ higher up the food chain.
we are top of the food chain by definition. humans coined the phrase "food chain" after all.
Else I buy from the local market or Waitrose who's meat I always think is superb (though you pay for it).
People should be aware of where their meat comes from, else inhumane treatment of these animals can and soes go unoticed. Infact the meat eaters who insure that their meat comes from a decent supply are going to benifit animal treatment far more than vegetarians.
You as bad as me on the eating meat front. I couldnt watch that programme, I dont want to see animals killed thank you very much.
Are you for real? Chickens and turkeys are treated the worst out of all the animals killed for meat, especially Bernard Matthews' birds. But they're not cute so nobody gives a stuff.
I wouldn't believe anything PETA publish, they're all a bunch of lying cunts who would benefit from 20 years in the slammer.
People who bury their heads in the sand about how the steak gets onto their plate allow inhumane practices to continue. When the only meat they eat is vacuum-wrapped in a supermarket they don't think about the animal it came from, and don't think about how it was treated. Factory packaging hides factory farming, and factory farming is inhumane and unethical.
If you can't bear the thought that the lovely steak came from Daisy then you shouldn't be eating the steak.
And where is the meat eater's responsibility for the welfare of the animal in all that? There is a responsibility, whether you choose to ignore it or not is totally your perogative.
Well you should, even if just for selfish reasons.
Meat that comes from animals reared properly and killed humanely tastes better than factory-farmed junk. Which is why Bernard Matthews turkey tastes of nothing, but fresh Northumberland turkey from my butcher tastes divine.
I always say if you'd be prepared to kill it, then it's Ok to eat it. It annoys me... I know one girl who posts up loads of shit from PETA on myspace and goes on about animal cruelty yet she stuffs her face with Maccys or KFC given the chance. You either turn a blind eye about animal cruelty or you don't... I'm not yet vegan, but looking in to it.
I don't like PETA... As Kermit has said, they're liars and discredit animal rights activism. I also think the 'food chain' idea is bollocks. We may have more grey matter than a cow, but that is besides the point. We are still a species and are as dependent on our own eco system as any animal we see as below us. Every living organism exists because of its environment and the meat industry is destroying the environment around us.
Cow shit and chemicals are getting in to rivers, transport costs and cow farts are getting in to the atmosphere, rainforests are being ploughed to grow soy for livestock or to keep them. We may be "top of the foodchain" in that we can destroy and fuck everything up... But then that doesn't mean we should screw up the planet because we like beefburgers.
I mean eat what you want, but don't pretend that you're an animal lover if you're going to chow down on Bernard Matthews or use Colgate toothpaste. It gets on my tits when people don't want to claim responsibility for things they are a part of, in this case the slaughter and sometimes the horrific torture and treatment of living creatures.
That's cool though... I have a lot of respect for people who hunt for their food as well.
It's the process in which beefburgers are made and factory farming which is repulsive.
Aye know what ya mean, did you see the roadkill chef on BBC3? He was pretty cool like.
Factory farming is bad, but it depends on what beefburgers you buy as to how morally dubious they are. I buy beefburgers fresh from the butcher, or make my own, and they are pretty sound ethically. Brazilian beef is a bit more dubious ethically because of food miles and deforestation, so watch out with the corned beef.
It makes me laugh how many "animal lovers" still buy IAMS pet food.
Yeah me too...
To be honest the animal testing debate... Well it's difficult to know if a product is safe unless it's BUAV approved.
Heard about him, sounds groovy.
Debatable. I'm a bit dubious about animal testing in the long term, although it has benefitted us with some treatments... I don't think it's the answer and I don't think it is 100% reliable nor do I trust pharmacutical companies at all. But technology is progressing, hopefully we won't always have to use it.
NB, if it is something terrible then I will probably use up the new tube I bought but then switch
You use it to brush your teeth...dirty teeth!