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Irrelevant - though I'm pretty sure most children have pretty limited choice against their parents wishes.
Would people have been so het up if the three had bullied her, but their abuse was based on her class (which I think was as much of the real reason as her skin colour)? I suspect the answer is no, so bullies get away with it...
It might be wise to take human history into account as well when judging whether all kinds of abuse are as bad as each other or whether some of them are a lot more serious.
That said bullying in the BB house is unpleasent and wrong, but its not akin to Armenian Genocide is it?
tosh.
so you've never told an 'englishman, scotman, and an irishman' joke? or a made a joke about the opposite sex, asian, southerner, geordie? etc etc...
jade fucking goody is so insignificant. she is too stupid to be a racist anyway. she is just ignorant to it.
pretty much all of what kermits said is right.
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tosh!
If you've never sworn at someone when you're angry with them; if you've never said something hurtful in anger; if you've never got angry and said something you regret, then you can cast stones IMHO.
We're not going to agree (especially as I make a point of not watching BB so don't know the context) but anyone who says that someone who utters a racist word is a racist is a moron.
Certainly in many parts of the north it isn't uncommon to call the corner shop the p*ki shop.
That's your defence? :eek:
In the eighties a portable steroe was known as a wog box. Does that make it any less racist?
Sorry Kermit, I kind of agreed with your earlier points about the difference between racism and bullying, but I can't agree whole heartedly.
I should clarify- it isn't an acceptable term, but anyone who is trying to say that everyone who uses that term is a racist is quite clearly out of their tree. It's an awful term because of the connotations, but its not always racist.
It's a very subtle distinction, really, between abuse and racism- both can look like each other. My point all along is that abuse is not acceptable, but that people seem to obsess too much about racism without actually seeing things properly.
I have no doubt that these women in the BB House were setting out to be hurtful and malicious, and were using all their tools at their disposal, but that doesn't necessarily make someone a racist.
Cunt is a derogatory term to begin with and has (for me) very little connection with the female genitalia when used against another person.
I think it is much more 'taboo' (in well taught families), to use '******', 'gook' or whatever in fights and by breaking this taboo it shows that you look down onto those people of other ethnic origin.
That doesn't make much sense, but I'm a bad debater anyway. I would never tell a black person he's a ******, just because I think he's a moron for any kind of reason. If I think he's an asshole, I call him an asshole. It's not the skin colour I have a problem with and I think derogatory seperating people of their origin/appearance does show (maybe repressed) racism.
/edit: there are a few "rasistic" terms in the german language too. For example the "Jud" which is the way of kicking the football with your toes (as opposed to your instep). Jud' means Jew.
Or "Ich habe bis zur Vergasung gelernt." which figuratively means "I studied a whole whole lot", but "Vergasung" means 'gasification' and I think you know where that comes from.
You do not use those vocabs in derogatory context tho, it's everyday figure of speeches and does not make it racist (to your p*ki shop analogy)
Firstly, I am not casting stones and yes of course I've sworn at people when I get angry but like 'iwozere' said, if you are angry with a person then the colour of their skin shouldn't even come into it.
The word **** is racist. It isn't hard to figure out. How far do you have to go to get the badge of racist?? Oh and the delightful phrase '****-shops' is pretty common down south too. Only the other day in my sociology class did a twat of a boy say it. It just isn't acceptable.
ETA: with reference to 250
Racism is particularly repugnant. A lot more than class prejudice, whichever way you want to look at it.
I think not.
She's clearly culturally prejudiced, but that's about it. Race doesn't really come into it.
what i was trying to say. exactly right.