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I'm a half Irish man living in London, so I think my views are somewhat valid thanks.
* all the best ones were about the stupidity of the English anyway
Oh yeah, I do agree that the reactions are a tad OTT. However there are definite racist undertones to the bullying going on.
Pfft...plastic paddy.
Did I mention me ma's a prod?
I prefer the term 'hun'.
Maybe people who have been vicitims of Racism give a monkey?
Maybe it's a "Big Deal" to them...
How many times have you had someone drive up to you and slow down, wind their windows down and start hailing a whole load of abuse calling you all sorts of racist names?
The whole point is that we don't want people to watch a national TV show and think it's perfectly fine to treat people in a certain way .. to not bother to learn their name and just refer to them by their race.
However at least the Nazi's had some brain behind them and a reason for masses to support them
The more Jade and her crew make racist remarks, the more pathetic people think they are and the less people like her.
Yes and more.
I'm not in any shape or form a supporter of the Nazi's and I don't agree with 99% of the things that they did, but I could go on and on about how in theory, and in practise at the beginning of their rule, alot of their ideas were justified. But I won't state my views here because I doubt anyone will agree and I'll recieve loads of hate mail or something
Yeahhh please don't. Jewish ancestors and all that
None of my reasons are anything to do with their hatred of Jews, just to clear that up, there was no excuse for any of that.
I kinda made that mistake with my ex, started saying how the Nazi's actually had some good ideas (about rebuilding a broken Germany, not slaughtering innocents) and it turns out she was half Jewish. We'd only been going out a week.
Yeah she didn't talk to me for a few days
Lol. My ex collected nazi parphilnalia (is that how you spell it??) and reckoned the Nazis were misunderstood. Despite my objections and telling him my great uncle had been gassed he carried on :rolleyes: I'm sure that's worse than you :P
Owch.
I do believe the Nazi's are kind of misunderstood, I mean they did do some great things for their country and had some great ideas, plus in a way the war wasn't all their fault, petty they had to ruin it all by attempting to wipe out an entire race.
Yeah I don't quite collect Nazi paraphilnalia and if I did, I think I would have stopped once you'd told me that.
Oh and sorry about your uncle, didn't mean to cause any offence
Surely post of the week?
Unfair to use that and leave out the rest of my post.
If people read that they're going to think I'm an actual supporter of the Nazi's. I think I need to clearly state that I am NOT.
Yeah you do need to state that your not. Even the germans don't say that the nazis were misunderstood
It's only because people are scared of another Nazi uprising that they instill hatred for everything Nazi. I think it's much better for people to be educated and make up their own minds...
What do you mean..?
Nazi is a synonym for evil for a lot of people. But I think it's much better to learn about the Nazis and then you can decide for yourself which bits are evil. That widespread desperation was like a dry forest, and hitler ranting about nationalism, and blaming everything on jews, was a spark.
In Germany, they aren't even allowed to learn what happened. Just that Nazi = bad. But perhaps then they dont reealise that by creating class and race prejudice they are doing exactly the same thing. Bear in mind, it wasnt just Nazis who didnt like Jews - there was prejudice against them in most societies.
We must see what can be the consequences of ignorance and bigortry, and learn from them. Hitler increased productivity, employment and reduced inflation in Germany. An otherwise inspirational leader became a monster because he spread a message of hate. Imagine if he had impassioned others with love rather than hate. Makes us realise how small actions can make a big difference...
As for National Socialism as a concept, not entirely evil. I have respect for a Nationalist/Republican Socialist Irish party who funnily enough, don't want to kill all Jews for the sake of the Aryan master race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRSP
I for one would like to see you post what you think.
pill'ed in "fascism not that bad" shocker. :eek:
What's your view on Mussolini then? or Franco?
Errrmmm...it might be an idea if you found out what National Socialism actually means.
It wasn't really indifference, that excuses a lot of people. There weren't that many in Europe who were gutted at the idea of killing Jews- European history is littered with pogroms against the Jewish, and the Holocaust was just the German Efficiency extension of that.
Lots of other people seem to be giving a toss on my behalf.
I just find it sad that two nobodies racially abusing a nobody is more important than eleven people dying in storms, is more important than the hundreds dying in Iraq and Afghanistan each day, is more important than the thousands dying in Africa each day from malnutrition and AIDS. And what's even worse is that Channel Four will make millions of pounds in telephone charges and make a big sack of cash out of this whole episode.
I'm not bitter, that's the point.
I don't think racism should be singled out as a special case and have special laws protecting it, when every other form of prejudice and abuse goes without such protection. I will get a criminal record if I utter a drunken racist word in public and the "victim" complains, yet I could go on a rampage of homophobia and misogyny and not have a word said against it. I'm not denigrating racism, its horrible and disgusting, but it isn't any more horrible and disgusting than 1001 other forms of prejudice. The law implicitly condones other forms of prejudice by not dealing with them in the same way as racism.
If I batter someone for being homosexual I will receive a shorter sentence than if I attack someone for being black. That's what has really got my back up.
Whether the intent was there, only you know.
But with the one simple sentence I think you have come up with a solution to the perceived "problem" of racism.
Straight from the horses mouth,these are some of the ideals that appear to have somewhat of a general acceptance in the bullring of politics :
the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.
equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations;
All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically.
The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
Breaking of rent-slavery.
In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
a division of profits of all heavy industries.
an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding.
the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination.
The good of the state before the good of the individual.
For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich.
Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.