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Indeed.
Has it? New Labour makes Chirac (a French conservative) look economically left wing. And economically the French left certainly isn't right wing.
And racism certainly isn't an exclusively right wing thing. Huey Long, countless examples in the Soviet Union and more recently the 'Respect' Party come to mind.
Hardly left wing.
Doesn't all this proove is that left and right wing are slightly nebulous terms. They after all originated in France shortly after the Revolution, with the right wing being the moderates and the left wing being those who wanted to guillotine those who disagreed with them.
The BNP manifesto is a mixture of left and right wing policies
Some quotes from the BNP manifesto (I haven't linked to it, but its easy to google).
I'm not sure that's an analysis which would find much support in laissez faire circles.
That wouldn't look out of place in many left wing parties manifesto's either.
I'm sure many 'left-wingers' wouldn't disagree with that either...
Now I'm not arguing the BNP is a left-wing party. Its a populist party which appeals to people's lowest instincts, whether that is curbing immigration, getting something for nothing or the idea that there is a simple solution to complex problems which is being concealed by some mystical elite.
I share your experience.
Or "WE" , "US" and "OUR"
Is Castro not left wing then? Homosexuality was outlawed after the revolution and gays/lesbians imprisoned.
How is national service right wing exactly? North Korea, Brazil and China don't have 'right wing' governments. (Although, NK and China certainly have authoritarian governments). Although, national service isn't automatically authoritarian, Germany and Finland have it but are not particularly so...Indeed both are less so than Britain which doesn't have it.
Capital punishment isn't left wing? Do Cuba, China the Soviet Union or North Korea ring a bell? Capital punishment isn't a left/right thing. Is RMT union leader Bob Crow not left wing? He supports the death penalty...
Flashman's Ghost's post seems pretty accurate...
Though Flashman's Ghost's idea that the BNP is a 'populist' party, does that mean that The Sun newspaper is neither left wing or right wing?
Of course the BNP is a fucking far right party.
Can't believe we're even discussing this.
Next I'll hear the Dutch Paedophile Party that formed last year is a left wing or social welfare party because they promised free rail travel as well... :rolleyes:
This is where we have to distinguish between positive and negative freedoms. The libertarian right are advocates of merely negative freedoms (freedom from). However the libertarian left advocate both postive and negative freedoms (freedom from and freedom to).
Except you're missing out one vital thing - left wing arguments always come from a position of class. The BNP's arguments don't - they come from a position of nationalism and race. They may be arguing for an NHS - but it is an NHS purely for people of one nation or one race - it is not an NHS for all.
That's probably true to an extent, but then lots of people come to the same position without the same analysis of how they got there. Chances are you could find yourself talking to an extreme right winger and if you didn't dig to deep you'd find that they have the same views as you on many issues
I'm sorry Dis, but what's strange about it. The only difference between the far left and far right is the name.
Well I don't know much about these anti-fascists but I just find it a bit strange that they're behaving like fascists themselves.
1939 people like you and me would be up aginst the Nazis, the hard left wouldn't have been...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact
How is it the Guardians fault?
It is the fault of people who, are being just as intollerant as the BNP against her. Sure she's a Fascist, but that doesn't mean you have go out and be just as bad as the Fascists and be hateful against them. Lowering oneself to thier level and all.
The Guardian has done nothing wrong. The Far Right groups in the UK regularly publish the address, contact details, and pretty much everything about left-wing politicaisn on thier websites. This. The Guardian didn't even do THAT much.
Only differnece between far left and far right is name? I am sorry, what planet are you on? Really? If you can't see a difference between Communism and Fascism, I really question your judgement.
They may be behaving in a counterproductive way, but they're hardly behaving like fascists.
The only people who say this sort of thing are the politically uneducated.
I guess you never heard of the Battle of Cable Street then, or the International Brigades.
Oh and putting Stalin in the same category as all the left just further demonstrates your political ignorance.
Which is all well and good for organisations in the cities, but it makes it damned difficult for charities in rural areas, where there are no ethnic minorities, to get funding. :banghead: :rolleyes:
No, not really. I'm certainly not defending Stalinist type lefties, but to assert that its the same as fascism is just not true.
Sorry if that came out wrong Captain - it doesn't mean you only get money for promoting race relations - it just means that anyone recieving public money isn't allowed to promote bad race relations, racism or hatred with the money - charities still recieve money for the many 1000's of other reasons from government not connected to race relations.
True. Picketing a venue because of the political views of a performer. Demanding a performer gets sacked because of their political views. Disrupting the performance because of the political views of the performer. Their behaviour is far worse than the fascist at the centre of this (the performer herself).
I tend to agree with you as it goes - this action was completely counterproductive and will probably play into the hands of the BNP.
However my point was that you used the term "fascist" in an inaccurate manner. I wouldn't call Simone Clarke a fascist either - misguided and stupid yes. A fascist? Probably not.
i agree with you here too, people are entitled to their views, even if they dispicable as long as they don't use their position to broadcast their political alignment in a place where that kind of partisan behaviour isn't necessery (no matter what the party) - to me she wasn't using her position as a ballet dancer to promote the BNP so she's done sod all wrong
just to add, the BNP may be a political party but tehre was an interesting article in the guardian about how the BNP may be acting like a regular party, but are making preparation in case of an economic/social catastrophy to push themselves (which if anyone has any history of far right parties would know, but this confirms it)