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Foreign lorries "threaten lives"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/real_story/6081596.stm
Hardly a surprise really, British lorry drivers have barely the merest hint of a responsible conscience, so I wouldn't expect foreign drivers to be any better, and I would expect more corners to be cut in countries where the penalties are even lower than our pathetic standards.
It's time for lorry drivers to be punished for their actions. If a driver is caught with an unroadworthy vehicle, or if he is driving excessive hours, his vehicle and all its cargo should be seized. The drivers who flout the law should be treated as culpable for death, and should be convicted of manslaughter not dangerous driving. penalties for lorry drivers who kill should be increased dramatically, with more maximum sentences of 14 years getting handed out. All foreign lorries should be examined at the ports for full roadworthiness, and foreign drivers should have to prove they can speak basic English before they are allowed to continue.
Any arguments?
Hardly a surprise really, British lorry drivers have barely the merest hint of a responsible conscience, so I wouldn't expect foreign drivers to be any better, and I would expect more corners to be cut in countries where the penalties are even lower than our pathetic standards.
It's time for lorry drivers to be punished for their actions. If a driver is caught with an unroadworthy vehicle, or if he is driving excessive hours, his vehicle and all its cargo should be seized. The drivers who flout the law should be treated as culpable for death, and should be convicted of manslaughter not dangerous driving. penalties for lorry drivers who kill should be increased dramatically, with more maximum sentences of 14 years getting handed out. All foreign lorries should be examined at the ports for full roadworthiness, and foreign drivers should have to prove they can speak basic English before they are allowed to continue.
Any arguments?
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I don't know. 'Fuck out of the way you moron' and 'I'll have a tea with six sugars and a bacon butty' seem to me to be indespensible for any lorry driver.
I wonder why drivers (of any kind) found to have cause injury or death through dangerous driving are ever aloowed to drive again?
There was a recent case where some twat killed a kid, he was sentenced to x years in prison and x+y years banned from driving, he was young so would still be driving for many years once his sentence was up.
Why on earth should he ever be allowed to drive again? If rehabilitation is meant to encourage people not to commit the same crime again then an easy way to stop drivers commiting driving related crimes again is to stop them driving. Seems obvious to me.......
edited - sorry i meant attempted murder
With murder you have to show intent, as in the person meant to kill them, so unless the lorry runs you over on purpose then its not murder.
Yes, but you didnt intend to kill someone. That's why its manslaughter.
Same as if you were in a pub fight, you hit someone and by bad chance they fall and crack their neck and die. Its not murder its manslaughter.
Could anyone here still pass it?
O is it the might - not definately know you will kill some one that makes the difference in manslaughter and attempted murder
edited again as I keep missing attempted out
I think making them sit a theory test is a bit impractical, but making sure their lorries and their bodies are roadworthy is not.
It wouldn't be murder as they don't intend to kill- you have to intend to kill or commit GBH to be convicted of murder. It should be manslaughter because they are grossly negligent as to the consequences of their actions- they know their actions are dangerous to themselves and others, yet do them anyway.
Moron.
English drivers don't have to be able to speak Spanish/French/whatever to drive in those countries. You don't need to be able to speak a language to drive on its roads.
Hence holders of certain foreign licences being allowed to drive for a year here.
To be safe you need a basic understanding of the native language, and that does go for British drivers as well as European ones. You need to be able to read the road signs.
But if the driver can't read the road signs because his English is so bad then he is not safe to be driving in this country.
Perhaps a special sort of licence for anyone who is going to be regularly be driving large vehicles in other countries in the EU, which involves understanding basic differences in road signs, markings and rules? That shouldn't be too hard to sort out, it'd just be an extra bit on the usual driving test for a vehicle of that type.
Aren't road signs generally symbols and pictures, therefore making language skills unnecessary?
We already have roadside testing of vehicles, as the article explained, so there is no reason why that cannot be extended.
A good idea, but it doesn't cover enough. If English (or for that matter French, Spanish, German or Norwegian) isn't good enough then you are not safe- how can you slow down for a flood if you don't know what the word is?
Many aren't, though- many warning signs are just words, such as flood, or fog. Warning signs for corners say slow or reduce speed now, other say max speed, others warn for schools. Great if you don't know those words.
It should be something for all of Europe, I'd extend the same thing for british drivers going out, but the fact still remains that a truck driver who can't speak enough English to understand the road signs is a menace.
The whole point of the EU is freedom of trade and movement. All it needs in a bit of standardisation of testing, so that you don't have to go through time-consuming checks every time you go between countries.
Having had to make a delightfully happy swerve onto the hard shoulder when a lorry started changing lanes on top of me I am very aware of the problems.
One thing we should be doing as well is educating our own drivers of the risks of blind spots on lorries, I knew about them so when he started changing lane knew what I could do to move to where I could easily be seen (as well as hitting the horn hard). Likewise people should be made far more aware of the risks on hard shoulders - I see so many people sitting in their cars or standing on the hard shoulder. Do they have a deathwish?