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UK prisons full - now where to put them?
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I'm surprised noone else has mentioned it really, I was just wondering what does everyone think about this?
Story.
It looks like they will shove them in the police cells for the time being til they figure out what to do, but what are the options? Does this news mean the prison system isn't working, or just that we need to build more prisons? I agree with the idea that we should deport all the foreigners in our jails back to their countries because we have enough on our plate, but apart from that I'm not sure what can be done.....(let all the stoners free?)
What I think will happen is they will tag the less serious offenders and release them, I can't say I'm particularly comfortable with this idea but I don't see many other options.......the whole situation is just typical of crap reactive government, looking at the rising number of incarcerations it was obvious a long time ago this would happen, but they've done fuck all and now they're like 'oh, shit, we're full up'........sheer incompetence.
but anyways, the main point i was leading to is that this would be a great time to stage a 'legalise cannabis' march and have a blaze/protest outside the houses of parliament.........what are they gonna do, lock you up?
Story.
It looks like they will shove them in the police cells for the time being til they figure out what to do, but what are the options? Does this news mean the prison system isn't working, or just that we need to build more prisons? I agree with the idea that we should deport all the foreigners in our jails back to their countries because we have enough on our plate, but apart from that I'm not sure what can be done.....(let all the stoners free?)
What I think will happen is they will tag the less serious offenders and release them, I can't say I'm particularly comfortable with this idea but I don't see many other options.......the whole situation is just typical of crap reactive government, looking at the rising number of incarcerations it was obvious a long time ago this would happen, but they've done fuck all and now they're like 'oh, shit, we're full up'........sheer incompetence.
but anyways, the main point i was leading to is that this would be a great time to stage a 'legalise cannabis' march and have a blaze/protest outside the houses of parliament.........what are they gonna do, lock you up?
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Nah fuck that, send them all to gitmo!
lol don't be daft blagsta. the solution is obvious - cut welfare!
I'm not saying let them off but these people would be far more use to everyone out of jail, working and paying tax (rather than costing me money) and spending all their free time doing community service.
The one's done for possesion should be put through rehab, not jail. Too many of my mums patients had a slight drug problem when they went into jail, and now they are there have a massive one. Jail is not the place to put drug addicts.
More help to abused children
More money to areas/families who are far below the poverty line
Stricter mental health provisions.
Of course this is all contingent on the funding being available for rehab - the borough I work in has already run out of funding for rehabs precisely because they have been making more people go to rehab on court orders...
Definitely, I agree with you there.
These sorts of people aren't a DIRECT danger to us, well, not as much as the people who actually deserve to be locked up such as murderers, rapists etc.
I don't honestly think community service does all that much - plenty of them just re offend anyways.
Was on This Morning the other day, that there's this one guy who re offends roughly around this time so he can spend the winter in jail. He plans to do some criminal offence so he's locked up, then the sentence is finished round about summer time, and he's set free. Apparently he's been doing it for a few years. Just ridiculous really.
This might actually be an alright idea (although its a blunt and clumsy way of dealing with the issue) if there was anywhere near the funding needed available for treatment.
On the broader point, putting heroin on script, decriminalising possession of drugs and far more funding into social services would cut the numbers of prison places needed drastically.
Sorry? Drink drivers not a threat to others safety?
Few people are in jail simply for drink driving itself.
Why shouldn't those guilty of fraud go to jail? If someone robs the bank and nicks a couple of grand they'll go to jail...So surely someone who swindles the bank out of a million should also go to jail?
At what point do we say that we have enough prison beds?
Build them where though?
I agree with Scary Monster - there are some people who are in jail (like people who don't pay taxes) who are in jail who aren't a danger to society and should possibly be punished in a different way.
As for drug addicts - they should be put in rehab and not jail. (unless of course they killed someone whilst on drugs)
When the vast majority of prisoners serve the entire length of their sentences.
Many existing prisons are old and do not make efficient use of space, I'd have thought capacity could be increased through some rebuilding. If there's still not enough space build a few extra prisons in the middle of nowhere - out in the country in Wales or Scotland.
Apart from the issue of getting them to behave themselves when there is no parole there isnt any relation between crime rate and prison population, just locking more up for longer isnt going to make us safer.
As Michael Howard proved and as has been shown in the US locking up persistent offenders cuts crime - burglars, rapists, conmen, murderers all pose a risk to the law-abiding public and should be locked up to protect the public.
With regard to drugs I support decriminalisation, if not legalisation. I don't think drug addicts should be jailed. And as Aladdin said many of those inside for supplying should probably be released too depending on the circumstances; i.e. dealers with a record of violence or selling to kids should not be released.
As for drink drivers, unless they are repeat offenders they are far better dealt with (imo) with time consuming education programs and community service orders.
Jail should be for people who need to be kept away from the general public; punishment should take another form.
:rolleyes:
Twat.
Yet another intelligent contribution from the resident anti-Semite. :rolleyes:
Ah yes we're talking about prisons and you bring in anti-semitism. We've also given loads of reasons where it would be better and cheaper than building more prisons and you come out with that gem.
Twat, twat! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You still don't get it, it was a case of pro anti faux psuedoantidisestablishmentarianismesque vulgarity.
How is building more prisons going to help? They'll just fill up too.