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BillieTheBot
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I know the immense majority of people here and elsewhere already know Bush and his government are a bunch of corrupt scumbags and war criminals, but I'd like to ask to the one or two individuals who still think otherwise to give me their thoughts on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ADlZViASo
Not only torturers and murderers, but also undemocratic corrupt cowardly fucks.
The US is on a slippery slop towards a Nazi state. It is of paramount importance for America and indeed the world that this bunch of fascist cunts are removed from power and never let anywhere near a seat of power again.
The Republican Party & Bush Administration= enemy of the human race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ADlZViASo
Not only torturers and murderers, but also undemocratic corrupt cowardly fucks.
The US is on a slippery slop towards a Nazi state. It is of paramount importance for America and indeed the world that this bunch of fascist cunts are removed from power and never let anywhere near a seat of power again.
The Republican Party & Bush Administration= enemy of the human race.
Beep boop. I'm a bot.
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I mean Bush, not you Aladdin
Basically, all detainees from 9/11 onwards are subject to the Geneva Convention, so they're not allowed to be tortured, abused etc and should be treated in an humane way. Bush and his cronies are trying to push through a piece oe legislation that will effectively prevent him or his government from being tried/convited of any war crimes/contraventions of the G.C. DATING BACK TO Sept 11th 2001.
I was just thinking the exact same thing after I watched it! I haven't even seen a mention of it on the news - How can that be???
The thing is that torture doesn't provide evidence... I mean reliable evidence and to me, it's more a weapon of control by fear than of functional use.
I'm glad he is. If it wasn't for someone like him, i doubt i'd of heard of this. I've spoken to 5 people about this today all disbelieving and surprised there's been nothing in our media.
Don't you care that the "most powerful man in the world" is attempting to slip through a law protecting himself from prosecution?
Don't you consider that an abuse of power?
Tough cheese, George. The 'We're fighting a war on terror!' thing was always going to come off the skids at some point because, as I think Andy Hamilton said, an abstract noun can't surrender. You torture real people, you take the consequences.
Endemic malfeasance seems to me to be THE accepted behaviour.
Pointing it out often results in ostracism or vitriolic attack.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/08/AR2006080801276.html
I'm not sure if this is the same thing or it has changed since this early August article.
Its certainly dodgy, but it may not be the smoking gun it seems to be. perhaps if i could find any more up to date decent news stories the CNN report may seem correct, but from the info i've got it seems a little hyped.
As an aside I assume we're all be demanding France drops presidential immunity from its constitution as well?
I don't think it is. Putting aside the nature of the possible crimes involved, what we have here is the ultimate act of corruption: a statesman seeing to change the law to protect himself. Bush is a corrupt, lying cunt worse than Berlusconi. At least the Italian didn't (knowingly) spit on the Geneva Convention of Human Rights, broke every international and domestic law in the book and created nazi-style concentration camps to torture illegally kidnapped foreigners with impunity.
Irrelevant to this case I should think.
Why do you get the feeling you are trying to justify the unjustifiable?
The only reason people end up there is because their local government doesnt do ANYTHING.
Take us for example, we could give the soldier here who has admited it a slap on the wrist and a fine and he would never be allowed to be taken to the Hague because we had technically done something about the offence.
Possibly, but I don't thing such things as sleep deprivation are torture.
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Possibly I'd agree. But then I'm not sure as I lack decent unpartisan information
No very relevant. if Presidential immunity is a bad thing its a bad thing for Chirac as well.
In this case I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm pointing out that perhaps the diatribe on CNN should be treated with as much caution as a diatribe on Fox. If people can produce better sources I'm more than willing to either justify Bush or say he's wrong.
I actually quite like the guy and was particularly pleased to see Lady Thatcher as guest of honour to Cheney conveying her support.
The CIA is suggesting that because none of those things cause permanent or serious damage, it does not classify as toture.
Which if of course a load of rubbish. The same could be applied to many other things, from mock executions to the application of electricity to genitalia.
I agree it's a rotten thing and that no statesman should be above the law. But the key point here is an incumbent trying to change the law to protect himself. That's a lot more wrong than someone being the President of a nation where such law already existed.
Jack Cafferty, Bill O'Reilly - they are the equivalent of talk radio or tabloid newspaper columnists here. Was there anything in the New York Times? (I haven't looked). Or on an actual CNN news report - not a TV op-ed report?
Tbh I'm no cheerleader for Bush, I'd like McCain to get it next time and I think Clinton was great...I'm more just avidly atlanticist. Bush isn't great but he's certainly not the devil that the Hugo Chavez school of thought portrays him to be.
Thats one big hope you have thier, looking at your Government fella!
Why the fuck don't you Americans take a stand? I thought you'd all really pissed after what Bush has been doing.
Force the bastard out of power guys! Force an early election. You people still have the power... do it WHILE you still have that power.
Beats me. There is a general feeling of apathy among people, and I don't exclude myself from that statement. Sometimes I'm amazed and angered by my own indifference. Frankly (personal opinion of course, I don't have statistics to back it up at the moment) I believe the apathy stems from the inaccessibility of our federal government. We can vote, but generally the politicians share common interests which they hold closer than the good of the country. We can stage protests, but they commonly fall on def ears; I mean for gods sake, you can get a federal grant to stage a rally, just to give the impression that democracy is still alive and thriving. People know that the government isn't listening and so they get frustrated and lose interest.
Exactly, marching or protest actually takes a lot of faith, faith that it will make some difference and that those in power still actually care about what you have to say.