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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    On the main point, I'd say that shaving your legs is just an extension of brushing your hair or plucking your eyebrows. It's not "gross" if you don't, it just looks better if you do. Everyone says that it's natural to be hairy, but it's also natural for humans (and most animals with hair or feathers) to groom themselves to make themselves look as good as possible, and shaving certain bodyparts is just an extension of that.
    Well there is that, but people dont get the same grossed out reactions from people having different hairstyles as they do if they dare to let their armpit or leg hair grow.
    Its actually quite a recent-ish thing, I think its only really since the 1920s it started at all, and a lot later than that its become almost the only done thing to do. The more it goes, the more we have to shave. The shaving of pubic hair is a REALLY new thing. 10- 15 years ago hardly anyone shaved or even trimmed their pubic hair - now an unmanaged bush is almost the ultimate sin!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well there is that, but people dont get the same grossed out reactions from people having different hairstyles as they do if they dare to let their armpit or leg hair grow.
    I disagree. Obviously different hairstyles don't provoke a negative reaction. But go out on a night out without washing or brushing your hair for a week, and I expect you'd get a similar reaction as you would with hairy legs or underarms.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but having body hair isnt the same as being unhygenic. Society has made you think that way.
    People dont think men are gross and unhygenic and liken it to not brushing their teeth because they have armpit and leg hair.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Exactly.

    Not shaving and not washing aren't easily comparative; we've been pushed as a society toward thinking unshaved isn't good... I think we've probably always known being an unwashed filth merchant is bad. We've always had a sense of smell, right?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Is it unhygenic to not brush your hair? Washing it maybe, but brushing it? And bear in mind that the defenition of hygenic does become greater all the time. And for some reason, girls do tend to lead the way in this. Technical quesiton: Is it more hygenic to have less hair on your body generally, either sex?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    no its not tbh. Hair isnt unhygenic any more than skin is.

    I mean, dont get me wrong - I shave the lot off tbh, but im fully aware its societys influence that makes me want to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's not "gross" if you don't, it just looks better if you do.

    Does it though, or is that just your cultural norm?

    Many French and German women don't shave, and aren't any less sexy for it. Julia Roberts wasn't less attractive because she didn't shave her armpits.

    It's interesting how cultural norms change too- in the 1960s female nude actresses and models had to shave all their pubic hair off because that was deemed less sexy and corrupting.

    Linking not shaving to not washing or grooming is wrong- what you should be comparing it to is not grooming according to the cutting edge of fashion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm always dubious about blaming society for things though, because you have to bear in mind that society is created by man to fit it's desires and needs. In the same way that people wouldn't kill their fellow man even if religion didn't exist, I think that there must be something that men find more attractive about women having less hair on thier body, otherwise it wouldn't have become such an ingrained part of society. Bear in mind that there is evidence that men shaved their face as far back as 20,000 years ago, and almost every society since then has practiced some form of hair removal, and there must be something in it.

    And are you sure it's not more hygenic to shave? That's not to say that it's somehow unhygenic if you have body hair and shower all the time, but everywhere I've read (advice sites, not gillete adverts) seem to suggest that more hair = more body odeur = more bacteria.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    I find smooth adn tidy more attractive than natural, probably in the same way many women find clean shaven blokes more attractive than those with natural facial hair.

    innit.

    We humans do all sorts of thing to our own body to alter the way we look, and we've done it for thousands of years.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Although it's there to stop chafing.... :confused:

    I shave my legs when anyone's likely to see them, and although I used to get light mocking from my man if I hadn't for a bit it was only teasing. Although when I'm training and competing I tend to take pretty much all off legs, underarms and anything near bikini line. I feel enough of a plonker in a swim suit without adding anything else to worry about.
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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    ~MINXY~ wrote:
    good point. I guess i find it gross because of the way society see it......
    Its a main factor, like we could go on to argue, we were not made to wear clothes so why wear them?
    On this:
    The only usefulness I can think of in clothes is warmth. How would you keep warm in winter without them?
    Besides this, as far as I can see, clothes are completely useless.

    EDIT: Well, bulletproof vests are useful too, if they count as clothes, and plus they wouldn't be as effective without any other clothing on. :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's an interesting question, who creates a social norm. It's not solely the media, but the media create as many trends as they follow. Creating pointless trends to make people feel fat, ugly and unhappy is the whole point of the glossy magazine industry, as far as I can tell.

    As I say, in the 1960s pubic hair was deemed too racy, and had to be removed to protect the public. Now having no pubic hair is where its at, and the only time you see a porno girl with hair (apart from on her head) is when you're on a hair fetish site. No doubt things will change again.

    Your shaving preference is just a taste, and just because its the prevailing taste in this country it doesn't mean that its inherently better, or more hygienic, or more healthy. I don't see the Germans, with their lack of make up and their slightly hairy armpits, keeling over with BO and rank ugliness.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    briggi wrote:
    I have a friend who has never touched her leg hair and it's very fine and barely noticable unless you're up close and personal. Damn that school peer pressure to buy sparkly pink razors at lunchtime! :p

    I've never ever shaved my legs, as my leg hair is also pretty fine in its natural state, I'm not keen on the idea of razers, and I was worried that the hair growing back without the tapered tip would be more noticable than leaving it. More recently though I have started using silkymits every now and then.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    Your shaving preference is just a taste, and just because its the prevailing taste in this country it doesn't mean that its inherently better, or more hygienic, or more healthy. I don't see the Germans, with their lack of make up and their slightly hairy armpits, keeling over with BO and rank ugliness.
    I'm still undecided. Of course having body hair doesn't make you unhygenic, or unhealthy in any way. But from the small amount of reading I've done, the general consesus seems to be that the same person, with the same habits with regards to washing and bodycare, will be more hygenic without hair than they would with it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you shaving off the hair on your head then?

    I really dont see how leg hair could be unhygenic though, even if you thought armpit hair was.
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    littlemissylittlemissy Posts: 9,972 Supreme Poster
    I'm still undecided. Of course having body hair doesn't make you unhygenic, or unhealthy in any way. But from the small amount of reading I've done, the general consesus seems to be that the same person, with the same habits with regards to washing and bodycare, will be more hygenic without hair than they would with it.

    Go tell that interesting 'fact' to the thousands of Europeans who don't shave then.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If that argument is true, I imagine the difference must be negligible. Proof?

    If you wash you'll be clean, if you don't you won't. Hair or no hair, you'll still get dirty if you don't wash.

    Does this mean that men are inherently dirtier than women? No wonder nobody wants to sit next to me at work.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Right we better start shaving hairy animals lol
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    No wonder nobody wants to sit next to me at work.

    Not that it's my opinion, but try to think of it:

    Some people mentioned that hair can't be gross, since it's the natural state of the body. Well, in prehistoric times the body hair was much thicker and undoubtly a ward for coolness/chilly temperatures, but today we got more reliable clothing.

    Look at wisom tooth or the blind gut. They are - too - available in the natural state of a human, but don't serve any purpose, no, they even CAUSE a lot of problems (ask me about my extraction o.O).

    I am opinionless there and it's just food for thought, but isn't body hair just as rudimentary as the tail bone, the blind gut or other organs?

    My opinion is just like before stated: I don't care. It's all personal preference before it starts to be debilitating, like BO...what ever. I don't praise it, but I don't say it's "doing something against mother nature" either.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think shaving or waxing your hair off goes against nature, but to say that anyone who doesn't do it is unclean, unhygienic and gross is an absolutely stupid opinion.

    Fair enough if you find it unattractive, I think a well-trimmed bush looks better, but that doesn't mean your taste carries more weight.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's not dirty as you can still be hairy and clean. It's completely up to you what you want but accept the fact that if you're on the lookout for a man, most men do prefer shaved legs. Just personal preference.
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