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Whether you knew it was illegal or not is irrelevant as ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
Frankly you ought to be grateful that trespass is only a civil offence as if it was a criminal offence you'd all have been rounded up and arrested...
lol liberal hippies? no they were conservative actually, wtf.......listen don't take it personally, but if you think people dancing away in a field deserved to be teargassed, regardless of whether they are breaking the law, then you are definitely a moron.
Yep I agree, it's a fucking rave, they couldn't have expected for everyone to just say: "Oh yes officers, we are sorry, we will just go now..."
Like people on drugs would ever react like that...
But as I said it happends and it have to be expected from the police once in a while... frankly I don't think what's the big deal for either side...
For some of the squatters it will be a nice story to tell and bitch about the police, some will even be proud of it and for the police it will be the same... see how we beat the crap out of this junkies kind of thing...
lol listen to yourself dude you need a reality check. what specifically is it about an illegal rave that warrants a police response like what happened? or is it just the fact it's 'illegal', maybe if you could think for yourself you'd see it's the law, or more accurately the over-handed enforcement of it in favour of common sense, that's wrong and not the people breaking it, but then i know your view on drugs and druggies (throw away the key right?) so it's completely pointless trying to engage you in this discussion, goodnight.......
The police enforced the law in the way they deemed best at the time. Obviously, not everyone will agree with the way they did it. I, however, think that they did the best of a difficult job. Teargassing may not have been entirely a good idea, but if they felt they had no other option to deal with these ravers, (who were there illegally, lest we forget) I won't criticise them for it. Try and appreciate the fact that, were this a criminal offence, you'd all have been carted off to the nick. What's wrong with holding a legal rave in the first place?
:banghead: , i'm sorry but it's like talking to a brick wall ffs.........okay so in one instance you overcame the view you came to held through dodgy misconceptions, the media, whatever........you now accept the drug laws are wrong and should be changed........so please answer my previous question, what specifically is wrong with an 'illegal' rave that deserves such a response? why did the police even have to 'deal' with the ravers, why couldn't they keep on monitoring the situation and just keep an eye on things? what would've happened if they'd carried on raving, would the whole world have ended? look at it from a common sense point of view, not 'well it was illegal so the police were right to teargas them', it's not always black and white.......
Because you're taking advantage of something which doesn't belong to you perhaps?
I'm beginning to get the :banghead: feeling myself.
well that's one version of events, like i said it had been going on 24 hours already and the police were there the whole time but had no trouble at all from anyone, so why would people suddenly start assaulting officers and torching cars? from what i heard the riot police came in just after 7, surrounded the rigs and started getting confrontational, what happened after that is anyone's guess.....
ETA: when i got the call that riot vans were already on the way i didn't believe it at first because the whole thing was carrying on as normal, no scuffles at all so really the whole thing stinks of pre-meditated violence provoked by the police.
In cases where private land is being spoilt or damageed, or if the noise is disturbing local residents I have no problem with the police acting in a sensible way to stop the rave.
But in cases where no farmland or private land is being damaged or spoilt and nobody else is being disturbed I have no problem whatsoever with people assembling in a forest, field or wasteland with sound systems and partying through the night. Any police that decides to break up such party are being twats and asking for trouble, "illegal" or not the rave might be.
Let's remember the current law is an ass deviced by the evil Witch and that prohibits more than 10 people to assemble and play "music of a repetitive beat nature", whether indoors or outdoors. WTF? :rolleyes:
I'm gald the scene is picking up again. It must be that people are fed up with licensed clubs, bouncers, piss heads, £3 bottled water, stifiling heat, street violence, CCTV, sniffer dogs etc etc
With what happened at the Fridge back in April, your not safe in legal venues anymore anyway. There the police left hundreds of clubbers severely pissed off, out of pocket, and many subject to the stress of interogation and searches. If we're paying to be made to feel like a criminals in a supposedly legal venue, why not just feel like one at a free party?
Most of the people that put these parties on clean up after themselves. They're not stupid, they know it makes no sense to put all the effort into organising these events if your going to leave mess and be discovered. Trouble only ever occurs when the ob turn up.
Fuck the gavers and fuck the Criminal Justice Bill.
But you are still on someone else's land, regardless of what your views are on using the land.
Who really knows what went off? With thta many people there, they probably wouldnt know what was happening to everyone.
No they're not, they're simply doing their job.
The law was presumably simply drafted in such a way as to deal with the problem at hand.
It's not ideal, I agree. So instead, why not just make trespass a criminal offence? Problem solved.
And they're also utter twats.
What problem was that, exactly? Young people gathering, listening to music and having fun? Why, we can't have that of course.
Why would you want to do that?
How about repelling the existing stupid law and letting people assemble in certain fields/forests/wastelands that are nobody's property and/or delerict, and let them have an all night party if they want?
It's not as if the police didn't have better things to do...
Edited to add: trespass is already an offence IIRC. But not all the venues chosen for the raves are private property, by any means. And some others are private property but the owner consented to them. And some others the owner actually doesn't care so long as the place is left tidy and in order.
Any coppers who bust a rave held in, say, a forest (which belongs to nobody as such) or to private land where the owner has given permission are being twats and should not be surprised if people react unkindly to their utterly pointless party pooping antics.
PS - As an aside I'd be interested in how many of those who suggest the police shouldn't enforce the law when it comes to raves also feel the same way when it comes to hunting.
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Good point.
What on earth are you wanking on about?
Police get their cars fire-bombed, so they sent the riot boys in. It's not fucking rocket science.
If these peace-loving hippies had moved when they were told to there wouldn't be an issue. They didn't, the police had men and property damaged, and as someone else had already said, if you play with the big boys you're going to get hurt.
Aladdin is in favour of violent reprisals when its against people he doesn't like. BNP having a peaceful march? Batter them! Peaceful country hunt? Kick their head in! Destroying hundreds of acres of someone else's land, causing a serious civil disturbance? Sure, go right ahead, those police are bastards!
The police don't wade in with the riot gear unless there is at least the semblance of a need. I'm inclined to believe that they were OTT, but the ravers should piss off when told to.
Because it would act as a deterrent to people occupying land which doesn't belong to them without permission. Presumably it would also make it easier to remove people without a riot breaking out as there would be no value judgement to make as to whether an offence had been committed.
Whilst I sympathise with people having peaceful and trouble-free parties in places with landowners' permission, at the same time for the safety of everyone around these big parties do need to be broken up.
That's not true.
Clubs are far more dangerous and unpleasant places though.